Comments on: Thinking about downswings http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/ Dedicated the successful management of our world's fisheries/cardrooms. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:37:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Nuke http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1505 Nuke Tue, 16 May 2006 15:49:51 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1505 You are inspiring as usual. Thanks for the GREAT read. You are inspiring as usual. Thanks for the GREAT read.

]]> By: War Room Poker»Blog Archive » About running bad http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1393 War Room Poker»Blog Archive » About running bad Thu, 11 May 2006 23:24:19 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1393 [...] Nside wrote an awesome text about running bad on his blog. You should stop right here and go there to read it. [...] [...] Nside wrote an awesome text about running bad on his blog. You should stop right here and go there to read it. [...]

]]> By: Fumseck http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1343 Fumseck Tue, 09 May 2006 21:43:39 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1343 Fantastic post Nside. I copied it and paste it in a word document so I can reread it when I am in a downswing again. I would like to wish you good luck, but it's unecessary. I know you will get out of this downswing soon. Fantastic post Nside.

I copied it and paste it in a word document so I can reread it when I am in a downswing again.

I would like to wish you good luck, but it’s unecessary. I know you will get out of this downswing soon.

]]> By: Poker Elmo http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1342 Poker Elmo Tue, 09 May 2006 21:21:55 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1342 Sorry to see you are on a downswing. Everything you about the inevitability of it happening is true, of course, although it does not seem to matter as much when you are in the middle of the downswing. Your advice helped when I was coming out of the downswing in January. Looking back, I gained a lot from going through that 400+ bb downswing in December-January. I learned 1) I can survive it and come out strong, even if it takes a long time (I finally feel like my limit game came back a month ago or so). 2) If I start losing I can get really grumpy about playing that particular game, which makes me make marginally poorer decisions 3) I do better when I play a wide mix of games, and 4) I do far better when I pay little attention to my overall bankroll. (Although I play comfortably within my bankroll, I just could not tell you within $1000 of what I have right now.) I am sure you will get out of it, hopefully soon. And let me know if you ever want to get back into MTTs. Sorry to see you are on a downswing. Everything you about the inevitability of it happening is true, of course, although it does not seem to matter as much when you are in the middle of the downswing. Your advice helped when I was coming out of the downswing in January.

Looking back, I gained a lot from going through that 400+ bb downswing in December-January. I learned 1) I can survive it and come out strong, even if it takes a long time (I finally feel like my limit game came back a month ago or so). 2) If I start losing I can get really grumpy about playing that particular game, which makes me make marginally poorer decisions 3) I do better when I play a wide mix of games, and 4) I do far better when I pay little attention to my overall bankroll. (Although I play comfortably within my bankroll, I just could not tell you within $1000 of what I have right now.)

I am sure you will get out of it, hopefully soon. And let me know if you ever want to get back into MTTs.

]]> By: taz115 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1340 taz115 Tue, 09 May 2006 20:09:42 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1340 Great post nside! Good quality stuff. So far I have suffered fair sized downswings but nothing over an extended period of time. When it comes I hope I am mentally prepared for it. Great post nside! Good quality stuff. So far I have suffered fair sized downswings but nothing over an extended period of time.

When it comes I hope I am mentally prepared for it.

]]> By: Nsidestrate http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1339 Nsidestrate Tue, 09 May 2006 18:11:25 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1339 Bull: I suspect that the first big downswing ends many poker careers. This is particularly true for people who don't use good bankroll management. I've known friends who played 1/2 with $200. It doesn't take much of a bad run at all for them to go broke. If it affects the rest of your life, like making you grumpy at your wife or kids, you probably <strong>should</strong> cut back. I do tilt in that way -- when I'm winning, I tend to play every time I wake up in the middle of the night or every time I get a free hour. When I'm losing, I don't have the same enthusiasm so I get in a lot less hands. Bull: I suspect that the first big downswing ends many poker careers. This is particularly true for people who don’t use good bankroll management. I’ve known friends who played 1/2 with $200. It doesn’t take much of a bad run at all for them to go broke.

If it affects the rest of your life, like making you grumpy at your wife or kids, you probably should cut back. I do tilt in that way — when I’m winning, I tend to play every time I wake up in the middle of the night or every time I get a free hour. When I’m losing, I don’t have the same enthusiasm so I get in a lot less hands.

]]> By: Nsidestrate http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1338 Nsidestrate Tue, 09 May 2006 18:07:30 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1338 Thanks for the encouragement and sympathy from you both. Willy, I do understand what you mean. Now that I'm playing 30/60, the dollar figures are somewhat staggering. I do better when I just think about big bets. ;) Its hard to explain how I think about it. I do feel quite calm in the sense that I'm confident in my play and I still have more money than when I started to play 30/60. However, it is one thing to <strong>accept</strong> that this is just how it goes, but it doesn't make it fun. Obviously, I'd still rather be winning big. Thanks for the encouragement and sympathy from you both. Willy, I do understand what you mean. Now that I’m playing 30/60, the dollar figures are somewhat staggering. I do better when I just think about big bets. ;)

Its hard to explain how I think about it. I do feel quite calm in the sense that I’m confident in my play and I still have more money than when I started to play 30/60. However, it is one thing to accept that this is just how it goes, but it doesn’t make it fun. Obviously, I’d still rather be winning big.

]]> By: Bullajami http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1337 Bullajami Tue, 09 May 2006 18:02:06 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1337 I wonder if there would be a way to find out how many people who take a 300 BB slide just quit and never come out the other side. I would be curious. I've had very few winning sessions in the past 3 months, and as big as poker is in my life, I have had to contemplate giving it up. It makes me too grumpy. Instead I have throttled back considerably - probably playing about 20% as many hands as I was 3 months ago. Good post - its a topic I never grow tired of contemplating. I wonder if there would be a way to find out how many people who take a 300 BB slide just quit and never come out the other side. I would be curious.

I’ve had very few winning sessions in the past 3 months, and as big as poker is in my life, I have had to contemplate giving it up. It makes me too grumpy. Instead I have throttled back considerably - probably playing about 20% as many hands as I was 3 months ago.

Good post - its a topic I never grow tired of contemplating.

]]> By: willwonka http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1335 willwonka Tue, 09 May 2006 17:38:15 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1335 Amen Brother!!! Downswings, of which I'm on one now as well, hurt. I definitely agree with the better players going through more pronounced downswings.... but let me tell, losing 4.5K in a month and a half hurts... regardless of your bankroll. Amen Brother!!!

Downswings, of which I’m on one now as well, hurt.

I definitely agree with the better players going through more pronounced downswings…. but let me tell, losing 4.5K in a month and a half hurts… regardless of your bankroll.

]]> By: LJD1019 (aka LDorey) http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/comment-page-1/#comment-1334 LJD1019 (aka LDorey) Tue, 09 May 2006 16:23:58 +0000 http://www.nsidestrate.com/blog/2006/05/09/thinking-about-downswings/#comment-1334 AMEN I am currently on a downswing also, hang in there bro. In the long run better players will win. AMEN

I am currently on a downswing also, hang in there bro. In the long run better players will win.

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