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  1.  
    nside, did you investigate fatshaft or is it just a major hunch? I would have said that SG and Spoonie were the 2 mafia remaining.

    Things are looking pretty bad at the moment. I can't see how Bugs is suspecting Pizza...
  2.  
    I didn't get to investigate fatshaft. I investigated Spoonie and Cyb was good enough to confirm for me that he was mafia, even though I was dead. At the time, I was pretty sure that it was Spoonie and Evv. During the day after I died, it became clear to me that Evv was in fact innocent and that Fatshaft was mobbed up.
  3.  
    I continue to hold out hope that Bugs really doesn't suspect Pizza and that he is simply trying to fool the mafia. He will want to keep the list of obvious candidates for lynching to a low number so that he has a better chance of protecting the right target.

    Griff's posts considering the idea that Bugs isn't the real doctor also tend to show that he is innocent. In my mind the only players left that could seriously be considered as mafia are Angel, Fatshaft and Spoonie.

    Pizza and Bugs are ridiculously obviously innocent. Irish and Griff are the second tier, but I think also quite clearly innocent.

    I know that Angel-fish would not lay so low as a mafia player, but she hasn't posted enough for anyone to be sure one way or the other.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Would it annoy you more or less, if you found out tha mafia spent a while thinking you were actually the doc?
  4.  
    I'm not that shocked by that. They had to be baffled when they hit Nutjob found out he wasn't the doc.
  5.  
    It appears that Bugs really does suspect Pizza. That is a depressing development.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    They thought Nside was the Doc after he came out as the Det.?!?!?
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    I thought they were either going for the Bugs association angle or thinking that I was a threat (ego-maniac!). What a coup it would have been to have gone for Bugs instead. Kill the doc and throw some major dirt on me.

    I suppose the "law of averages" crap might well have come into their thinking.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Wel, I'm pretty sure Bugs protected himself night 1, so they would have swung and missed ... would have put an entirely different spin on Nside's coming out party.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Does your death point to the UK? Nobody has asked that - either when it happened or since...... somebody (ME!) should have. darn it.
  7.  
    Nutjob, you think that because I'd be posting at the same time as Spoonie I'd have tested him too much? Plausible, but I'm not sure I have the skills for that. That's nside's strength (or one of them anyways).
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    I don't know your relationship with Spoonie well enough to know .... but, you have the skills to test anybody.... Also, in your last two games you became a clear innocent right away, this is a bad thing for the mafia - reduces their pool of "cover."
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    I think that Bugs probably protected Nutjob on the first two nights. Given his history, he is probably planning to swing for the fences tonight and will think they won't possibly hit him. They might be smart to do so.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Interesting Nside, I would think that he now would protect himself for the rest of the way pretty much...

    I think the game is spiraling out of control, which is great for the mafia... maybe fatshafts list will be the post of the game --- spread suspicion on EVERYONE -- and then chaos ensues....
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    So, I still don't get the mafia thinking that Nside was the Doctor. I'm fairly thick sometimes, but this was AFTER he declared as the Detective?!?!?!?
  9.  
    Here is the explanation for that:

    1) They hit you on night 2 and you are protected. This baffles them as they assume that I must be the detective and that the doctor has to protect me.
    2) They probably conclude that you are the doctor and figure that you will now protect me on night 3, so they hit you again, assuming that you will die and turn out to be the doctor.
    3) When you die and you aren't the doctor, they are completely baffled by this.
    4) Eventually they convince themselves that I am the doctor and the detective knows that I am the doctor because he probably investigated me on night one. They decide to hit me and are pleasantly suprised to find out that I am the detective and that I am unprotected.
  10.  
    All hope appears lost. The town will probably turn on Bugs tomorrow. What a total clusterfuck.
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    I love this post from Pizza...

    BugsBunny,

    I had been planning to ask that you protect yourself the rest of the way because...

    A) You are a strong endgame player and

    B) You are a trusted innocent

    I am now going to revise my request.

    I ask that you now protect yourself the rest of the way because

    B) You are a trusted innocent

    It is very possible that this will be my last post of the game.
  12.  
    I've described my spreadsheet with the column for "innocent arguments" and "mafia arguments" before. I stopped making innocent entires for Pizza because I completely filled up the space. Pizza and bb88 were sooooooo obviously innocent on Day 2, it wasn't even funny.

    Sorry Bugs, but I'm naming you the MVP of the game. Unfortunately, you were the MVP for the wrong team.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Nside that all makes perfect sense, thanks....

    But now I will say this: That is crazy!

    I don't care what turn of events comes up, but for you to be a doctor and then come out as a "fake" detective?

    Monsters under the bed, too many elaborate schemes and too much FPS for too many people in this game....

    I will reiterate Fumseck's post from Game 2: "KISS"
    • CommentAuthorbb88
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    nside, I'd be interested to know exactly why you were so convinved I was innocent. Obviously you were 100% correct, but I'm just wondering.

    I'm really hoping that Bugs is just messing around with Pizza or something, but it doesn't look like it.

    The town could be screwed...
    • CommentAuthorbb88
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Nutjob, you took the words out of my mouth. I think a simple strategy is always the best. The mafia is never nearly as tricky as we like to think they are, and I think sometimes innocents try to outplay them too much. This isn't at all talking about Bugs, but everyone in general.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    bb88 wrote: The mafia is never nearly as tricky as we like to think they are, and I think sometimes innocents try to outplay them too much.

    To quote the Fonz: "Exactamundo!"
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    bb I don't know what Nside saw, but I had you as suspicious, then we had our exchange and you slid to neutral, than you made some posts with original thinking, especially one with a list and strategy that Nside even took the time to pull out and urge innocents to mimick..... Sold.

    And your general TONE was innocent to me as well..
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    bb88: Here are my notes on you in order

    1) innocent-sounding first post
    2) early accusation of Angel and called her a man
    3) argued against FPS (mafia usually straight forward)
    4) immediate pos reaction to day 2 news
    5) talked about the doc/det hit in a very innocent way ( ** clearly not doc **)
    6) normal amount of defensiveness to Nutjob cross-ex
    7) good about posting schedule
    8) KEY> critical of Fumseck early

    At that point I stopped taking notes on you. Your only note in the "mafia" attribute was:
    1) Late jump on SJ.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    An hour and a half to go..... and the Pizza will be cold.

    Probably too late to save him EVEN IF Bugs was making a play.

    Damn. And if he does die, they will probably go with his list, which has some Fat but no Spoon...

    BTW, great game so far Spoonie! You too, Fat.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006 edited
     
    If you ever write a primer on how to play this game Nside, this should be your first entry:

    bb88: Here are my notes on you in order

    1) innocent-sounding first post
    2) early accusation of Angel and called her a man
    3) argued against FPS (mafia usually straight forward)
    4) immediate pos reaction to day 2 news
    5) talked about the doc/det hit in a very innocent way ( ** clearly not doc **)
    6) normal amount of defensiveness to Nutjob cross-ex
    7) good about posting schedule
    8) KEY> critical of Fumseck early
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    The miscall of Angel would be quite odd for a mafia player, since you would have discussed your attack in advance and they would have caught the error. Your exchange with Nutjob felt exactly right as an innocent to me. When you picked up on Fumseck, it was about the same time as I did. I felt sure that there would be no way you would go after him so strongly if it was mob vs mob.

    Reread Spoonies early list and what he says about Fumseck. That was a classic textbook way one mafia describes another in the early days. He attempted to make the most empty comment he possibly could. The way you talked about Fumseck was way too strong. When one mafia player wants to suspect another player, they do it much more gently -- they don't to be very convincing, they just want to be able to point to it later and show that they always suspected them. Look at Spoonies later post where he suspects 8 or 9 players. The way he talks about Fatshaft with just the faintest suspicion is also typical of mid to late game mafia "semi-attacks."
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Hmmmm, would like to see the notes on the Nut....
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    Spoonie is very, very safe. For whatever reason, Bugs put him in the innocent column and hasn't looked back. When the field gets much smaller, he might look at him again. The mafia could make a mistake in the end game too. But I don't really think so right now.

    Fatshaft could probably come out as the doctor and get Bugs lynched tomorrow, but that would be high risk. They won't need to do that, because either Bugs or Angel will probably get it and Griff if not.
    • CommentAuthorbb88
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Interesting to read what others thought of me, thanks for posting it, nside. Gives me a better idea of what I should be doing next time to try and play better.

    Ugh, it looks pretty bad for us. Spoonie has kept himself so concealed it's crazy. I'm not even sure how he's done it. He hasn't posted much content, and normally that screams mafia. It's weird. He's played really well.
    • CommentAuthorbb88
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    An angel lynching they're talking about now! Maybe with some luck...
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    bb wrote: Gives me a better idea of what I should be doing next time to try and play better.

    I thought you played a great game. Hence, you are dead.

    (well, that and the fact that your death made for a logical Pizza vs. Bugs battle, but more because you played a great game.)
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    Nutjob:

    Innocent:

    1) Good opening post
    2) innocent-sounding reaction to my detective reveal
    3) Refused to vote from my list

    Mafia:

    1) Scared the hell out of me in the game he was mafia
    2) Too much thought about implications of my detective reveal
    3) Refused to vote from my list ;)

    I decided if you didn't die on the first two nights I was going to investigate you on night three, so I stopped making notes on you. Until the second day, I was undecided about you. I almost decided to just wait and see what happened to you like I did with Bugs, but decided I was too scared of you to risk it.
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    bb: I wish you hadn't made it so obvious you weren't the doctor when you discussed the no kill night. You were the reason I posted to get people to stop discussing it, because I didn't want to kill you. I didn't care about SJ as much since I thought I might be trying to get him lynched for info. You were right about a lot of things and I think you are generally looking at the right things and played quite well. I was never going to investigate you, which is the best possible thing you can do as an innocent (besides guess all the mafia).
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    An angelfish lynch gives them a better chance in the end game. I still think they are in trouble but they are much better off with her dead than Pizza. That probably changes my idea for the mob to hit Irish. The last days are the best part of the game. Always entertaining.
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    I feel really good about investigating AF on night one. It would have impossible to get a read on her the way she has played otherwise.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Very interesting Nside... thanks

    I wish you didn't become the interim moderator in Game 4, because after it was all over, I would have really wanted to see what you thought from the perspective of someone who didn't know my identity......


    OK, back to the game....

    C'mon Spoonie, step in it somehow!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Angel has become problematic .....

    I don't know why, but her "I wouldn't do that to you guys" post was one of the most sincere things I've read in any mafia game......

    Wait, did I already know she was a confirmed innocent (per Nside's reveal in here that she was investigated) at that point? That would change my outlook there...
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    There are three vote-getting candidates and not a single one of them is mafia. That is a terrible result for the good guys.
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    I'm not sure. She might have posted just before I created this forum. I don't remember at the moment.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Poor Evv, now they will probably take the "roll up our sleeves" comment as a tell he is mafia....
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    The mafia have a very interesting decision tonight. Almost anyone could be a lynch mon target. Bugs is the only real clear innocent by the consensus of the group.
  23.  
    I'm going to drive home now. Off the air.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    hehe, I'm actually going to get some work done...

    Damn Heat game tonight again...
    • CommentAuthormalteg
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Did you have anything about me in the category "possible mafia", nside?
  24.  
    Pizza's done!

    Anyone want a slice?
    • CommentAuthorbb88
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    =/
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    malteg:

    I had you in my prime suspect list before the innocent tell where you hung out for more than an hour looking for the results of the first lynch. Factors that made me suspect you were:

    1) "me too" post on investigation
    2) avoided all discussion of the lynch no one strategy
    3) seemed to be posting low profile / low content

    In the innocent side:

    1) First to accuse irishian ** could be reverse **
    2) focus on non-elimination
    3) questioned me on "no vote" strategy ** could be reverse **

    Until I got the innocent tell on you for hanging out, I was pretty suspicious of you based on tone.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2006
     
    Sent Pizza a PM that he should join us and that he should PM Nside to get access.........

    ugh...

    Spoonie and Fatshaft even got to hide their votes. One voted for Angel, the other for Evv .... so, now they get to play the, "well I didn't vote for Pizza" game .....

    But there have been hints that at least they might be back on the radar....

    "Calling station?"

    Bugs, yes he is!