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    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    It's the Incredible Hulk and The Invisible Man
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    so I don't have to go back through this whole thing, I'm thinking TP and Wynton are the remaining mafia, am I right?

    After Tall Paul was so nice as to protect you a night early as well...

    ;-)
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I think both of you actually played it quite well. MX, for a first outing you did just fine. Hope you found it enjoyable.

    Fatshaft - you did play a lot like me. I suspect that was at least partially intentional? But as I also said you were a little over the top, you have to back it down at times when you're playing a game like that.

    FWIW I didn't peg you as wolf until Nut revealed it, but you were (or would have been if I was there) on my shortlist.. But that was more process of elimination then anything else.

    When I got offed I actually was almost certain that MX was wolf. We almost hit him the night we hit Krazy. If I wasn't planning a "keep 1 wolf alive strategy"I would have gone for him.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    <i>so I don't have to go back through this whole thing, I'm thinking TP and Wynton are the remaining mafia, am I right?</i>

    bzzzt - wrong on both counts
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Bugs wrote: When I got offed I actually was almost certain that MX was wolf. We almost hit him the night we hit Krazy. If I wasn't planning a "keep 1 wolf alive strategy"I would have gone for him.

    ---------------

    GADAMMIT BUGS!
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Nut - I like that description "The Incredible Hulk and The Invisible Man"
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Ok, MX I'm going to ask this so I can get the perspective of someone actually playing the game -

    What has

    1. TP done to make him look so guilty?
    2. bb88 done to make him look so innocent (to at least half the village)?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    BTW, I'm dense ...I can't bold or italicize on here ... what the hell do I need to do?
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    click the bbcode box, and use the usual code boxes...
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    like this
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Nutjob wrote: GADAMMIT BUGS!

    I don't know how much it would have really mattered, because once you offed me you were being deaded anyways (assuming my cohorts did what they were supposed to)
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    hmmm, guess I'm not as good as I thought :)
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    derrr
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    like that
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I'm just using html
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    MX, nobody is.

    the derrr was in respone to my lack of knowing how to bold! lolol
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    MX - it's not an easy game. Sort of like poker, it only looks easy.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    San wrote:Ok, MX I'm going to ask this so I can get the perspective of someone actually playing the game -

    What has

    1. TP done to make him look so guilty?
    2. bb88 done to make him look so innocent (to at least half the village)?

    In regards to TP, I'm really not so sure. From all of the feedback that I had heard about how involved he was with this, I just expected a bit more out of him.

    In regards to bb, he was the next on my list for mafia. The recent post from wynton about keeping bb around if it came down to a vote between bb and fatshaft made me think wynton and bb might have something.
    • CommentAuthorfatshaft
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    What has

    1. TP done to make him look so guilty?
    2. bb88 done to make him look so innocent (to at least half the village)?


    Who knows, bb looks really guilty, and apart from that first post TP hasn't at all, it shows how easy it is for players to follow the crowd I think
    • CommentAuthorfatshaft
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I agree with your Wynton post MX (oh very well layed btw), he was coming into it again for me, I think he has played poorly to be honest, and I know he'l kill me for that in here, but he hasnt put anything solid up

    Still can't believe TRK is innocent though
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    OK - lets flip it around, Why do you think bb looks real guilty?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Bugs: I don't know how much it would have really mattered, because once you offed me you were being deaded anyways (assuming my cohorts did what they were supposed to)

    GADDAMIT BUGS!
    • CommentAuthorfatshaft
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I wish I'd got free at 5pm, a full hour may have swung things my way, I got into a phone call to the states which could have waited till tomorrow, ah well, c'est la vie :-)
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    bI agree with your Wynton post MX (oh very well layed btw), he was coming into it again for me, I think he has played poorly to be honest, and I know he'l kill me for that in here, but he hasnt put anything solid up


    If you read this thread, we had him pegged as obviously innocent from the get-go...strange how perceptions differ.
    • CommentAuthorfatshaft
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I have done San, it is indeed, again I havent played that long so sometimes you expect different styles from players from their off thread style, his posts are short, from Wynton I just expected to see long analytical posts, the complete opposite of my ITH normal posts
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Nut - you don't think I would have suggested they keep you around, no matter what you're status, once I wasn't there, did you? There was no way I could let you take over as the towns leader. If you were innocent you're too good and could cause trouble. If you were wolf (and that possibility was real - although nowhere close to being definite) that would be even worse.

    So I was ready to keep you around as long as I was there, or pretty much so at least. For one you helped provide cover for my being alive. Once I'm gone no more need for that.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Tall Paul just called DC on his long post just the way I said he would.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    TP wrote: A better way of doing it, and this is how the justice system in my country works (not sure about yours) is assume the person is innocent until proven guilty.

    I'm not sure he meant this the way I'm reading it but...

    ROFL.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    yep, and the town may be headed into a total confusion stage for a day or two ...

    should be interesting and I think this game will head down to a 1-play kind of deal....

    Nside must be getting tired, too ... he missed one vanilla innocent in his dawn post ... there are 10 I believe and not 9... For shame!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    San, he might have meant planet... DC is welcomed on mine any day....lolol
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Or from it as well...
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Funny thing is, his long post just may give bb88 a free ride to the end even though he had him! We'll see...
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Wynton wants to know how many mistakes they can make. The answer is 4, assuming they miss completely each time. If they find 1 (even on day 4) they have 5 days.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Yeah - if TRK gets lynched today it will help bb a lot.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    Who can they get wrong?

    -TP, but he has the angel defense...

    -SteveGriff

    -Suited Jock

    -Mcfoldem's pushing for DBF, i'll be amazed if that gets off the ground

    -I guess they could get TRK wrong as well...

    Mafia could yet win this, given good assasination choices.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    No, they have 4 misses not 3 - they're using Nsides (wrong) number instead of counting themselves. Of course if DBF dies of terminal illness that would change matters, assuming they don't lynch him instaed.
  1.  
    My number on page 1 was right! ;)

    I think Tall Paul has looked more suspicious lately. If you focus on late actions, he is guilty looking.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    spoonie just put out an interesting proposition to buy time if needed, lynch nobody
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Hmm - TP and the Angel defense. If TP is still around and it gets to 3/2 and he gets put up for the "final" lynch I could see a fake reveal from one of the remaining mafia, to counter his reveal. That would force the town to choose between those 2 with the game on the line for the innocents. If TP still looks guilty at that point he could well lose even with the Angel defense
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    True, but it looks like he'll be up earlier. If that happens the mafia can't afford to counter him.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Well if he gets up for a lynch prior and pulls a successfull angel defense it probably won't really matter since he's likely to be killed that night.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    but the point is that's one less innocent likely to get lynched....it's the lynches they can't afford to get wrong, an innocent will be hit at night regardless.
  2.  
    Have only had a chance to skim the last couple of pages - so it's bb88 and McFoldem, then ? Well, I have played a downright lousy game and I will just shut up and watch. Totally missed bb88 and only had one comment on McFoldem in the game thread towards the end of my days that he was the classic fly under the radar mafia player that we've seen from Game 3 onwards.

    Don't laugh too hard as you read the wolf's lair !
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    I wonder if anyone will see this. They should just let Dire and Irish die of natural causes. If they choose to lynch both of them instead of letting them die it helps the mafia (if they assume they're both innocent) beacuse they'll only 2 2 "real" chances to get it right (4 total,2 "forced" and 2 "real). If they let them dies of natural causes they get 3 chances to get it right. If they try to save 1 and let 1 die they still get 3 chances (1 scenario they're at 4-2 the other at 3-2).

    Actually until I run some more numbers I'd say lynch DBF if he doesn't show, but let Irish die if he can't get access. I think that way gives them the most flexibility in what do do, so I hope they don't figure it out.

    From my perspective I hope they lynch DBF and Irish as "forced" lynches.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Pizza - Don't feel bad - nobody else seems to have them figured out either. We knew I'd be buying the farm. We suspected bb might be but he's in decent shape right now. McFoldem is the secret weapon. "The Invisible Man" as Nutjob called him.

    Of course things have a way of changing in this game :)
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006 edited
     
    I wonder what happens when and if the town gets to 4-2...

    In theory should they lynch no-one so that they have a 2/5 instead of a 2/6 chance of hitting a mafia with the lynch?

    If so, since the mafia knows this, is it better for them to kill no one in the night phaze at 4-2?

    In which case, the game could, theoretically, hit a perpetual stale-mate at 4-2.

    Pizza - I don't htink you played it badly, it's just you've got the unfortunate problem of having 2 high-profile players in the lair...it's not coincidence that bugs is the only dead mafia.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    Watching a town implode is such a beautiful thing :) May it continue until the end.
  3.  
    Bugs , when I posted my complete list of everyone in the 2nd half of Day One, did you guys notice that I falied to place McFoldem on it ? I knew he had posted more than some but absolutely nothing he said had struck me one way or the other.

    You guys must have been high-fiving !
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    san - you're mind works too much like mine. I've almost posted that counter to a no-lynch move by the town twice now, but figured I'd wait till it got closer.

    Theoretically I suppose it could go into perpetual stalemate. Or some storm clouds could threaten to form throwing down random lightning bolts if it went on for too many cycles. But I'd be curious to see how thw town would respond to a no-hit night? Would they blink or try it again? If I was still mafia I would blink the 2nd night.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2006
     
    We noticed. McFoldem asked if he should say anything. I said yes, but not to make a big deal of it. He did mention it somewhere down the raod, but you missed that too. And if anyone called him on why he didn't say anything he could point to the post where he did say something.

    See you proved my point. He has been posting. Enough not to draw amy flags. But people keep forgetting about him.

    Then someone mentions him, and then he drops off the radar as the person who mentioned him never brings it up again.

    I'm loving it.