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    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    It was after I got in here. If I was still alive I would have pegged him anyways. Process of elimination, and when I spotted one of his posts on page 17 that was the clincher in my mind.

    Evv's vote posts were very helpfull in eliminating a number of people. My own vote analysis had eliminated some others earlier. I think I was left with about 4 max at 1 point.

    I actually was very sure mxrider was wolf until the reveal. Almost offed him the night I got killed.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    LOL - no it won't. I'm thinking of editing out some of the spoilers for some of the other people.

    If you really want to know the last mafia I'll tell you, and then edit that one out for sure.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Edit everything out then ... we'll only speculate or talk about past stuff then....

    we shouldn't spoil it. Unless there is a majority that asks ... And San seems to be playing along...
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    So, do you really want to know? Yes or no?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    No, I don't and I edited out anything that had to do with our remaining teams.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I'll do the same
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    When you get done Bugs I'd like a big fat THANK YOU for the Angel kill. Pizza wanted to hit San first night ..... San you could have been double dead! Not that would be a compliment!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Oh, BTW San, I really didn't follow 5! I know it's hard to believe because I'm a mafia crazy person (well, I guess this sentence reads fine with or without the word "mafia" in it) but the majority vote games have been fairly stale to me ... save for No. 1 ... Plus you guys were a runaway winner right? And, I was worn out from Nutjobbing the Bunny in Game 4.... lol

    I should have enforced my "one game off" rule before this one... I was in 2, 4 and 6 and shoulda waited for 8!
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    Oh you deserve a huge THANK YOU for that one. San was one of the choices that night. Angel was on the list. So were you :) and a few others. One of the reasons we picked San is that we figured that it was unlikely that he would be targeted given the other choices. Of course when 2 of the other choices are doing the choosing it narrows things down a bit :)
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I just find it interesting that the innocents are all ripping each other to shreds and none of the remaining bad guys are on any of the "most suspicious', or even '"probably suspicious' lists at this time.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Did you guys have me as a wolf in the den? The town didn't, except for damn MXrider!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    San apparently had me in here pretty quick
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    It was mentioned as a possibilty. I also played the game straight up when it came to you by the way. Nside let something slip in the pregame and then covered it up. I wasn't completely convinced, but also didn't take advanatge. Figured I'd let game play decide. I'm not sure how much that colored my thinking - I may have actually overcompensated and given you more credit for innocence then I might have otherwise.

    I do know that you seemed very off to me, even when you were online and chatting.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    San wrote:

    Nutjob's post voting for malteg is odd...in all honesty, I don't understand how anyone can think pilchard is anything but innocent after today, but he said "I don't know"...then again I've been told I have an odd mind many times, and at least one innocent (probably several) actually did vote for pilchard, so what do I know.

    San, the thinking was I knew I needed to make a vote AND make one with reasoning... I surely wasn't going to vote for Pilchard. 1. He voted Pizza ... 2. What town wants Pilchard out early? The "normal" Nutjob would have made a vote for someone else, but I didn't have time because of work in the early game...

    The funny thing is almost everything I wrote in the thread was true.... Remember, this is entirely different, because there is a competing family... Also, I thought I could get some momentum built up against the voters of Pilchard... SP was an easy "innocent" for me to accuse and vote for because she hadn't posted a lot... and did the switch etc. etc. and said she would be away for the weekend..

    Also thought we could difuse suspicion on Pizza as Pilchard's target because that would be secondary to the town in comparison to people who wanted to lynch such a strong player early .... errrrp.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    That comment about almost everything being true is so on the money. The same was true of my posts. In the lair I kept telling them "THINK INNOCENT - HUNT WOLVES"
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Bugs ... ditto my thoughts on you as far as what I typed in the thread...

    Virtually all of my opinions were what I thought at the time.... (of course with some exaggerations where I thought they would work!)

    When you go into the Wolf Den, you'll see all my work stuff etc. was all real...

    Pizza noted my tone was off ... and I wanted to pretend it wasn't I guess... the reason is because I was always two steps behind the thread, working way too much and trying to do my normal investigations, talk in the den, etc. etc.... plus I was always exhausted late night ... and REALLY didn't have any pep in my step... Kinda flat.... I even said in the den on one of those early nights that I was going to "go get 'em!' .. got into the thread and then just didn't have the energy... ah well..

    So the funny thing is that I didn't sound like myself because I really wasn't myself! I wasn't lying and it wasn't because of the game, but it still hurt me in the game ...lol.. Stupid game!
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I'm out of here for tonight. I'm really tired. Should play some poker, but too tired for that. Try to make up for it tomorrow.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I'll be interested to see your lair ... judging from your recent comments ... you'll enjoy ours..
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I'll see you ... poker what's that?

    think I'm gonna play an SNG and be off to the sack...
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    We actually ignored the lair for the most part during the day. I just told them to not do anything stupid and to go at it. Some minor coaching on a few points, and some co-ordination during votes, but that was it.

    See you tomorrow.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    heh, this thread's moved more than the game thread tonight.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    Just caught up with last night....

    Nut that was a brilliant idea getting Modkilled before the lynch...it deserved to work for the sheer genius of it.

    *ponders why irish was so anti lynching you*
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Oh, BTW San, I really didn't follow 5! I know it's hard to believe because I'm a mafia crazy person (well, I guess this sentence reads fine with or without the word "mafia" in it) but the majority vote games have been fairly stale to me ... save for No. 1 ... Plus you guys were a runaway winner right? And, I was worn out from Nutjobbing the Bunny in Game 4.... lol

    You made a post in the game 5 thread after it finished that had a fairly good analysis of the game + mentioned that you'd PM'd cyb half way through the game that you thought Bugs was innocent...

    I wonder how closely you'd have to follow it to class yourself as having followed it? ;)
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Right, I'm going to work the rest of this game out if it kills me...A list with no reasons given.

    bb88 -leaning mafia
    Da Big Fish - 100% innocent
    Dire - leaning innocent
    Dreamchaser - 100% innocent
    fatshaft - No lean.
    irishiain - Leaning warewolf. (I'm not sure if this is because of this thread or the game thread)
    krazytxan V.2 - strong lean innocent
    McFoldem - mmmm....slighlty leaning innocent, but could be the 3rd warewolf.
    mxrider - 100% innocent
    Spoonie - Strong lean innocent
    SteveGriff - slightly leaning innocent.
    Suited Jock - Leaning mafia, not as strongly as I was yesterday
    Tall Paul - 100% innocent
    therivierakid - virtually 100% innocent
    Wynton - 100% innocent.

    So, my suspects list contains:
    bb88
    irishiain
    suited_Jock

    with the following on my radar as alternates:
    Fatshaft
    mcfoldem
    StegeGriff


    If anyone else is a bad guy then congratulations goes to them as they have me fooled.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    Mcfoldem wrote:

    Irishiain. ?? Seems like he is the same Irishiain of all the games I have been in with him, I think he has always been innocent, or special, never a mafia. I those games he always seems suspicious with his posting style and frequency. He seems to come on and be helpful towards endgame. I am leaning innocent.


    Huh? Come again? Wasn't mcfoldem in the mafia with irish in game 1???

    I presume this is an honest mistake, because i don't have mcfoldem and irish as mafia (and i'm pretty sure i can rule out irish in the mafia base don bugs' comments in this thread)...nonetheless i'd be amazed if nobody picks up on this. He's just dug himself a hole.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Game 1 was so long ago I think that's an honest mistake. Start playing a few of these, especially back to back and they really do start to blend together and you forget who was who, especially with some of the more inconspicous posters.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I just wonder how much of your current list is influenced by this thread as opposed to the game thread. You are on the right track though.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Dreamchaser is a very smart cookie, but what I said about his low post content and style coming back to bite him may well yet turn out to be true. I wish we had taken him out when I wanted to though.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    San wrote:

    You made a post in the game 5 thread after it finished that had a fairly good analysis of the game + mentioned that you'd PM'd cyb half way through the game that you thought Bugs was innocent...

    I wonder how closely you'd have to follow it to class yourself as having followed it? ;)

    -----

    hehehe ... I wanted to test my "first-look" reads ... told cyb I was following on a "one-read" basis... meaning I was going to read the thread ONCE. No double checking of anything and just see if I could get anything off a first look. .....Turns out I couldn't....... then I missed a day or two and when I came back it was a runaway.... I should definitely go back through that one to see what ALL you mafia guys did (I really don't even know who else was mafia) to stay alive ... and now I'm more interested to see what San the Bad Guy did should I ever play again ... and especially if you are in the game!
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    I just wonder how much of your current list is influenced by this thread as opposed to the game thread. You are on the right track though.

    I suspect this thread gives me a better shot at being right than a still alive innocent

    I had irish as a probable innocent until Nside's comment about the current mafia don....if Iain is warewolf then the wrong alarm bell went off in my head on that one, but alarm bells it set off. ... I'm also helped by what you said about irish, because he can't be mafia based on your read...

    Nonetheless his comments yesterday about not lynching nutjob does seem to suggest warewolf...and his few votes certainly don't go anyway toward clearing him.

    The rest of them I think I claim as being more or less my own reads.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    San: Nut that was a brilliant idea getting Modkilled before the lynch...it deserved to work for the sheer genius of it.


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    ; - )
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Bugs: Dreamchaser is a very smart cookie...

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    thought so after his very first post.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    I also think that my cohorts have the last wolf pretty close to being nailed. Fumseck was on my short list towards the end of my analysis. There's some other things I've seen that makes me think they may have figured it out, depending on the exact strategy they're now employing. If they're going for a keep the last wolf alive for a while strategy it could well all fit.

    But we'll see how it plays out. There is some possibility that dreamchaser may single handedly turn this game around. It all depends on what happens tonight, not so much today.

    Given some of the things in todays thread (already) I would now go for the third wolf tonight, probably - although I would have preferred to keep him for 1 more night under most circumstances.

    But the remaing wolf still has to be more concerned with the Angel/seer than the remaining mafia right now so keeping him alive 1 more night may still make sense.

    If they go for that approach, and assuming he doesn't get lynched today (and I don't think he does), and assuming they've narrowed things down more or less the same way I did I think the mafia hits Wynton tonight. They would want to take the short list and make sure that they're correct - basically taking out the candidates they think are less likely to be wolf, and if they happen to be wrong about the prime candidate they still get the remaining wolf with a resulting longer end game (giving the innocents more time to get things right).

    Todays developments can still change things around though.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Bugs: Dreamchaser is a very smart cookie...

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    thought so after his very first post.

    ----------------------------
    So did I. One of the reasons I ultimately agreed to the krazy hit was because DC had listed her as mafia, that's how much respect I had for him by then.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    : - )
  1.  
    I feel terrible about SuitedPair. She nailed two of the three remaining bad guys. If she was alive, a mafia guy would have got lynched today for sure, the way things are going.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Was it a slip? ... her overhearing you talking to yourself (I assume this happens often) or what?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    BTW, and I will post this loudly and often, if I am ever again in any sign-up thread .... I WILL BE A LOW TO MID-LEVEL POSTER IN MY NEXT GAME!
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    I think I'll also be changing my strategy somewhat radically - it wouldn't have worked here. I'd love to see an "anonymous" game, that would give people a chance to experiment with some different strategies without being pegged as "acting differently".
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Maybe I'll just sign up for ith under a different name :)
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    OK - time for a break to play some poker. Although I suspect the Europeans may not be playing very much today.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    I'm more interested to see what San the Bad Guy did should I ever play again

    San the bad guy did a few things:

    1. copy his very raw to the game detective persona from game 2 - i'll be changing my style regardless next game.
    2. Give sound innocent advice which was nowhere near groundbreaking, and would have been given by someone else anyway. - I like the way bugs described this in game 6 as making it sound like I was saying something, when i really wasnt.
    3. Encourage his team to start votes (Jr started a vote on me, and I'm quite proud to say I started the vot eon the last two lynchees in that game 8)
    4. Attack mcfoldem like it was going out of fashion.

    Think that's it.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    3. Encourage his team to start votes (Jr started a vote on me, and I'm quite proud to say I started the vot eon the last two lynchees in that game 8)

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    I like this one A lot!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Some really interesting things need to happen ... but I wouldn't count out the Lone Wolf if I were anybody...
  2.  
    Nutjob: I really made two horrific moderating blunders in this game. In the first one, I said in the mafia forum that this would be the longest mafia discussion ever with both Bugs and Nutjob in here.

    They quickly said "Huh?" and I almost threw all the roles out the window and started again, but I was able to blow off their question and say I just made a typo and they didn't seem to focus on it too much. When the seer investigate you and lynched you, I was very relieved because my screwup didn't ruin the game.

    This mistake had been troubling me for days and I felt extraordinary relief that it didn't damage things. Last night I was telling Suited how I nearly ruined the game and how happy I was that it didn't seem to matter. In the course of telling her the story (thinking there was no harm now because the principals were both dead), I said "I should have said that I meant <<other mafia player>>"

    Suited immediately laughed with glee and said that she KNEW that they were in the mafia and that she had told me so when she woke up that morning. It took us both a second to realize what a stupid thing I had just said. We thought of several solutions:
    1) She would banned from mentioning that player at all, but could keep playing without naming them
    2) She could make the original post she intended to make accusing him, but then had to drop out of the game
    3) She would have to go silent until she was modkilled or the player in question died. If they died before she was killed, she could come back, otherwise she would die
    4) I would get yet another replacement character
    5) I could just kill her

    After some agonizing, I decided to just kill her. I feel terrible about it.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Some really interesting things need to happen ... but I wouldn't count out the Lone Wolf if I were anybody...

    --------------------------------------

    Neither would I. This game still has a lot of fluidity to it and anyone can win. But I still think the mafia has the edge at the moment
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006 edited
     
    WOW! I gotta digest these for a second....

    The first one is hilarious (this is after the fact, of course, and because no harm was done)........

    You must have been thinking, "come on MX, hurry up and out Nut"! hehehehe

    But then, your relief in getting yourself out of a potential sticky situation is almost immediately quashed.... the Suited incident happens.... Ugh.... and now you're back into the fire, but this time for sure! Yikes!

    ** Yogi Berra (not Yogi Bear!)** walks in ..... I guess God is human after all..

    Nside, honest mistake(s) ... think you made a good decision in the end, although it's not my favorite ... a good one nonetheless ... I assume Suited isn't nearly as concerned about it as you are ....

    1. seems reasonable, but there could be quite a bit of backlash from those who didn't like it. Plus, it would have had a continous SUBTLE effect on the game, which, as we all know, can mean a completely different outcome.... yeah, thinking I don't like that one.

    2. Wouldn't have had a problem with this one, but could see that a lot of people might ... especially the mafia! Plus, even though she "knew it" before it was confirmed ... she could have changed her mind as the game went on... talked myself out of it, not liking this one either...

    3. Maybe most plausible to me when I first read your list, but now thinking this might be the worst.... for the "subtle" game-affecting reasons mentioned above and the "where is suited" and "how can SHE of all people not have voted and get mod killed?!?!? furor this would have brought on... Yuck. No thanks.

    4. Hate it this deep into the game.

    5. Hate it for Suited, but I'm now thinking this is the best choice. There was a quick discussion and people have moved on.

    Don't beat youself up too much, unless of course, Suited has banished you to the couch or promised to ALWAYS put the PJs on! lol....

    There's always 6. Try to forget it happened and let the game continue .... and I don't know if you guys considered it ....... wouldn't have bothered me (of course that's easy to say whilst dead) but it actually has the potential to be the biggest can of worms after all ... nevermind.....
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Yeah, Bugs, agree... interesting to see how the "vacuum" is being filled......
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Bugs wrote: Maybe I'll just sign up for ith under a different name :)

    suggestion box:

    BugsNoMore
    Imnotdabunny
    noFlopearsForme
    codpustahwhe
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2006
     
    Some of those are pretty good. Unusable, but pretty good indeed :)