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    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
    Only now got home and had a chance to look at things. The thing I wanted to check was how badly Pie wanted me dead, and it seems not too badly. I'm still worried about him being protected, though...

    But, what the hell, I'd be quite happy to be rid of him so let's give it a try.

    I vote to fry Mr Pie

    Good night, and see ya tomorrow!
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
    A thought while awaiting the verdict...

    I'd generally be more interested in being on the losing side of a memorable game than winning a boring one. If it looks as though I'm about to be lynched I'm considering doing something which I believe is unprecedented, and which I may be in a position to pull off.

    What I propose is putting on a show of extreme dissent within the ranks of the mafia. Before going it would be interesting to say something like, "yeah, I'm mafia. But so is x, and he is also a complete asshole. (Leaving this forum for good.)"

    If most people said that no one would believe them, but I've been away for so long that, with the right wording, it might just come across as genuine. It should also be possible to tweak the post to either create massive confusion, or provide a certain amount of cover for the traitor if we're confident we know who it is.

    Like the killing of SJ it's probably not optimal play, but it could be fun!
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
    Ok, that is interesting. If people buy that San is the Hunter, and he keeps claiming my innocence, maybe I'm not in such a bad position after all...

    Any chance of you using some of your innocense capital to put in a good word for me? :)

    What I'd like to see, either from myself or preferably someone else, is the theory that I'm a likely innocent due to me not switching my vote to Nut. Wouldn't someone hanging out in the den have been told to do that?

    And to future readers of this thread: yeah, I've been an idiot during most of this game, but I bet we'll beat you anyway you pansies! :tongue:
    Morning Cic.

    I would just lay low this morning and see if things move away from you naturally. You didn't do anything yesterday until near the deadline, it might look unusual if you start bouncing theories round.

    As for outing your fellow mafia, you could only do it if the vote was a landslide and we'd have to be careful who we picked.
    Interesting thought though.
    OK here are some thoughts.

    My position:

    A lot of people are SAYING they think I am innocent. I hate this. I haven't done anything to really show my innocence (who can). I am one of the prominent posters. This game has levels of hierarchy to it. Don't take offence Paulie (or anyone who might read this in the future) but there are bunches of players who are more or less known by other ITH posters. I would put the groups as follows: 1. (You, Dogs, Buzz) 2. (BB, Irish) 3. (Nut,Wynton) 4. (Pie, Cyb, San, Me). I would put Nut and Wynton maybe in 4 if it wasn't for the time difference. Every night where you do not get hit by the mafia it starts to look worse for you the higher up you are.

    If SAN is the hunter (more likely or not) he can take someone with him. He may have somebody ready to go and that could be me. I need to work out how to play this.

    With SAN declaring himself hunter, everyone is going to be careful not to cross him for fear he could take them out if he goes (innocents and mafia alike). He has actually put himself into a very good position (the issue is whether to risk hitting him tonight).

    I need to think some more....
    I'm off out now until 6pm this evening.

    Pie voted for Mx on day 1, Cyb on day 2. That isn't great for Cyb. I wonder if anyone will pick up on it.

    Cic, if you want to make a vote for someone later a bit in advance of the deadline it will make it easier for me to get over on to it with you (if needed). I'd like to see you go for Irish if you can come up with a plan (it would be even greater if you could some how drop a hint that you and him could be together if you end up losing the vote). Irish is the person
    a) I can get over to easiest without breaking stride
    b) will have support from other innocents (and maybe San)

    Have a think about it.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Hi, will be around from now on... I think I can make a case for Irish. He's one of the people I claim to have had a gut feeling about, and as things stand I don't know if anyone expects anything more from me. I'll try to come up with something a bit more solid, though.

    Your point about the levels of hierarchy is spot on. People may trust you now, but you'll begin to look bad in a hurry if the others in group 4 are killed. Something to keep in mind when choosing a target for a hit tonight perhaps.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Doesn't look too good for me right now..
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    I'd rather not mention another member of the mafia if I go down.. Are there any other dramatic options I could go for? I could claim to be the doctor, hoping that the real doctor would out himself, but I doubt he would. May be worth a shot, though. Don't think there's anything to lose.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    If there's a runaway vote for me, could anything be gained by me posting the following?


    I'm the Doctor. :neutral:

    With the Detective gone I'm not sure this should keep you from lynching me, though. A lot would be gained from my death, not least of all the knowledge whether I'm bullshitting you or not.

    I haven't lied about being busy, but I've also tried to lay low. Being a suspect has suited me just fine, as it means I'd be an even unlikelier target for the mafia, but I really did fuck up yesterday. I thought there was a decent chance Nut was mafia, so if things hadn't been so hectic at work, and if I hadn't gotten my vote count wrong, I would have voted for him to save my ass.

    On Night 1 I protected Pie. I can see that Pizza may have been an obvious choice now, but with all my knowledge coming from the earliy games I didn't even consider protecting him. You can see me asking about it as I realised maybe I'd fucked up.

    On Night 2 I protected Pie again, hoping the mob would go for him eventually.

    On Night 3 I protected San. Another fuck up, but I thought he was the more likely target.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    But maybe there won't be... It's 3-3 between me and Cyb now, with my vote still to be cast.
    You are out tonight. I have no choice but to vote for you. I then hope they think it makes Cyb and I innocent going back to MX earlier post.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Yeah, I know..
    Get on to Cyb, if it looks meaningless but (not too meaningless). ie don't do it last thing
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    I don't think it looks suspicious. What else can I do?
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Well, good luck, Sil. Will be interesting to see if you can pull it off on your own. :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Hehe, this is funny stuff..
    We need to get the attention away from you tomorrow.

    Fingers crossed I was wrong about Cyb.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    How about hitting San? Or is that too audacious? We'll have to wait and see if Cyb's the Traitor...
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    That's one reason for hitting San I think. As my strongest supporter, would I move against him?
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Let's get this done quickly so Nside can go enjoy his party, shall we?

    CAN SAN REALLY BE THE TRAITOR? If so, the real traitor HAS to come forward tomorrow.

    This couldn't be any more perfect. Wow...

    If San is the traitor this could be the greatest performance (it has to be extremey unlikely though).

    So who is the traitor? (We can think about that overnight)

    San can't turn on me now, it's too late. Too many people are with me.

    I think we have to play safe tonight.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    No, I think San's too likely to be protected. It won't look too good if you're the only high-profile poster, though...
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Yeah, but what is safe? Dogs?
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    I quite like bb88...
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    No, never mind that. Is he too likely to be the traitor after that vote?
    Cn you agree to kll Dogs tonight Cic.

    I'll give reasons tomorrow (but he is
    a) not likely 2b protected
    b) not a likely traitor
    c) could be dr.

    No point Buzz, he might not be here tomorrow given his no posting today

    No point BB or Wynton they are on my side (1 could be traitor)

    No point San,

    No point Irish, too many people suspect him.

    As always, I'll leave it up to you as I have to go to bed.
    Nside, promise me you will never give Cyb access to this thread.

    Many thanks
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    I'd like to go for one out of Buzz, Dogs and Wynton. Would be happy with either, but perhaps happiet with Wynton, followed by buzz and Dogs. Think Wynton could be the Doctor.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Good point about Wynton. I'd be happy to go for Dogs.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006 edited
    I may be the Godfather, but Silvio is obviously the street boss... [cotton balls] Kill Dogs [/cotton balls].
    Silvio:Nside, promise me you will never give Cyb access to this thread.

    Many thanks

    We usually do open this thread to everyone. Can we edit or hide certain posts?
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Do we have to? Was Sil's request serious?
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Oh, and send my thanks to Bull, will ya. :smile:
    Paulie:Do we have to? Was Sil's request serious?

    I'll lean on you pretty hard to do so. We have always done so for previous games.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    Eh, sorry if I was unclear. What I meant was, do we really have to hide or edit certain posts? I don't think Sil wants you to prevent Cyb, or anyone else, from seeing this thread in all its glory despite his misread.
    I think it is quite likely that he wasn't serious and we won't need to change anything. I follow your meaning now.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
    I just love the way the discussion is going at the moment - would like to offer San a big box of Cuban cigars. Is it possible he is both Traitor and Hunter?!?

    Believe it or not, but I may actually be in better shape than you at the moment. People are starting to question your innocense (which I can't believe they haven't done till now) and you may be in a little bit of trouble. With San (and bb88, it seems) on our side I hope we can pull through, though.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
    Not quite so happy now, obviously. I wish we'd killed Wynton.

    Is it likely they've figured it out? How likely is it Irish is the Traitor? I would say very likely..
    I haven't got a lot of time today, but we need a plan.

    1. Go down but at the same time try and clear some distance between you and I
    2. Argue my case but at the expense of you
    3. Try and make a strong case for another innocent and get innocent support

    (Oh and nside, I was joking about Cyb)

    I am going to try and leave something in my posts today that you can call upon tomorrow as evidence to who the likely mafia is should I get lynched.

    I'll tell you more later
    If BB,Buzz and San stick together I am gone tonight I fear.

    We need to work out who the traitor is and who the dr is and fast...
    BB,Buzz,Irish, Wynton.

    How do we think the traitor will act today?

    The reason I have never liked Irish as the traitor is because of how I got into the night 1 mix.

    Could Buzz really be the traitor.

    I like one of BB or Wynton.
    If I die, tonight you need to get the Dr.

    The score is 4-3. However, the innocents are in a stronger position than that because
    a) they have a known innocent to rally around;
    b) the dr is still alive and unknown
    c) we don't know who the traitor is

    Here is a great scenario. We lynch a vanilla innocent tonight. Score is 3-3. We have to hit 1 of 3. (By the way if an innocent is to go, I reckon it will be Irish) So it will be Buzz, BB or Wynton. Best choice doctor, second vanilla innocent ok, traitor very bad.

    I THINK YOU SHOULD GET ON IRISH AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TODAY. If he is the traitor and lynched I think we can get round it. We can't go for Buzz. BB and Wynton are not in the mix enough. If you go Irish whilst San and BB are there looks ok. Also, get on irish and don't log in for the rest of the day, say you've got something on (Saturday evening and all) but that you are happy enough to trust San's judgment and then get out of sight. Make sure you do not log in again. I will probably still get lynched but it gives you the opportunity to win the game (you would have to kill Buzz tonight). A slate of Irish and me isn't bad and make sure they stick with Irish tomorrow even after I am killed.
    Actually change of plan, don't say you can't be there. Say you'll try and be there but you can't promise because of xxx. At least that leaves us an opportunity to maneouvre (assuming you can be there)
    OK things are looking better than i thought and here is why>

    firstly get on Irish early, say you are not sure whether you will be able to get back later and make the point that you trust BB and San

    Do it quickly whilst the vote score is what it is (Cic 3, Irish 2, Pil 1)

    After your vote the score will be
    Cic 3. Wynton, Irish, Pil
    Irish 3. BB, San, Cic
    Pil 1. Buzz

    Two things can happen, the first thing is extremely good
    Buzz moves to Irish
    Cic 3
    Irish 4.

    Irish cannot defend himself because he is already voting you and gets lynched.

    Scenario 2. Not so good but we can work with it
    BB and San move to me
    Cic 3 Wynton, Irish, Me
    Irish 1 You (you cannot move, you are not there)
    Pil 3 BB, San, Buzz

    I cannot move, you cannot move(you are not there). It goes random but I believe that both of us end up in a reasonable spot from that point on. San may actually get desperate and be so frightened that you might get lynched that he moves BB and Buzz back over to Irish.

    Make sure after your initial post, you are not seen on the thread at all today or this evening, ie make sure you stay logged off.

    Let's do it.
    Damn, I'm not here tonight myself (just realised)

    I'll make a point of it later but I will not be back until late

    so NSIDE/CIC here are my thoughts (Instructions if Cic ends up lynched)

    If we lynch the DR today, then I want to kill San tonight
    If we lynch Cic, the traitor or a vanilla innocent then I want to kill Buzz tonight.

    Cic, if I end up dead tonight, good luck.
    Just saw the problem with the scenario 2.

    Scenario 2. Not so good but we can work with it
    BB and San move to me
    Cic 3 Wynton, Irish, Me
    Irish 1 You (you cannot move, you are not there)
    Pil 3 BB, San, Buzz

    There will be immense pressure on wynton and irish to move on to me.

    However, lets hope San doesn't spot this and stays on Irish.
    • CommentAuthorPaulie
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006
    Hey, was hoping to be off at two, but couldn't make that happen. My brain is absolutely fried, but I'll see what I can do.