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    They don't know yet. One of them is set and the other is thinking about it. I'm about to jet.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    nsidestrate:By the way, MX, I think speculating on the traitor was probably a mistake for you at that point in the game. Do you agree? The mafia strategy is shaping up in a very interesting way -- do you think they can possibly pull it off the way they are headed?

    I don't. I think that it will protect at least one of them for a while, but that it can't last in the end game.


    are you talking about in here or in the den? If in the Den, I'm really not sure. I think they have a slim chance the way things are going but likely not.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    so nut, who is the other 2 of my crew?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Lemme see their kill and then I'll venture a guess... and it will be just that, a guess.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Quote from Nutjob:

    MX: Mixed signals, mixed signals, mixed signals. (this is usually how I feel about MX). Don't know suspicious lean


    that's what I was trying to accomplish. Glad it worked on someone.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    huh? it earned you suspicious status ... and that was after what, a few hours?
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    the mixed signals part.
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    That Nutjob is a smart cookie. Why, I think I will also wait until we see the kill as it may narrow our list of candidates.

    Out for a while.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006 edited
     
    so, cic, Pilchard and Irish? (pilchard would be a mild surprise. But I wouldn't be surprised by anyone, including Pie, although he would be my last choice)
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    are you putting 3 names out there as one being the traitor? (which I don't know who that is)
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    just checked back in to find the thread still closed. This leaves me a bit puzzled.
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    I wasn't around, but I'm sure everyone will add too much meaning to it.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Long delay is strange ... maybe they've killed San (I can hope, can't I :jumping:) and he can't decide which innocent to kill next. :rolling:
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    lol, yes, I'm sure it will be the cause of much debate..... I've always hated that "tell," but it did help you on cyb a few games back I think...
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Hmm, San came out ... but will anyone believe him? I think they will .. eventually... really good move methinks...
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006 edited
     
    I hope everyone enjoys my new sig line....

    bb88's biggest mistake was a classic, and I'm surprised he allowed himself to fall into it: "What? You suspect ME? I'm innocent, so you MUST be guilty."
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    Good ole' bb88 - I had forgotten about the fact that he would be quick to rally to San's outing, given that he has argued for San's innocence the whole game. bb88 will help grease the road ahead for San whereas Piemaster would have likely put up fierce resistance.

    Snuffing Pie was a double edged sword if one of the goals for the mob was to see San lynched today. The assassination of San's main PITA might have made San look guilty but leaving Pie in would have made a San lynch more achievable.

    Still focusing on Bengals game - we're dominating the mighty Ravens !
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Yeah Pizza, I'm watching with a little bit of glee - the Ravens have a really good defense, but I'm glad their offense is being exposed for the fraud that it is... Plus, I think the Bengals have severly underachieved so far this season...
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    We've had a couple of absolutely heartbreaking losses (to Tampa Bay and San Diego). Could have easily exited this game 9-3 instead of 7-5.

    But woulda coulda shoulda is for those who frequent the VRR forum...so I will not indulge.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    yeah, but, pending this onside kick, this game isn't over, either ... GL
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    I think San had to come out. He was correct to do so immediately.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    absolutely
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    In the bag !

    As you may have read, I investigated bb88 on Night One but didn't receive a report back. As I watched the backseat BB in operation (as opposed to the upfront guy we saw in Game 6), I began to wonder if I would have hit a mafia. When you began prosecuting his case, I really believed in you. (Although.....sniff, sniff....I was hoping for more of a eulogy from you at my untimely demise:smile:) Then when I found out later in this thread that bb88 was inno, that's when some doubt began to creep in concerning you. But you never did display the Game 7 and 8 Nutjob so I wasn't toooo concerned.

    GG
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    OK, I'm off to be hyper-aggressive in a 6-max tourney
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    Agreed on the San outing. Sets a fresh tone from the get go and gives him the initiative (with a big assist from bb88).
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    well, hopefully everyone can now realize this "defensive" nut tell is now out the window
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    First of all, I acknowledge that I have been the victim of "misdirection" in these dead threads before [Of course, I have spun a lot of fanciful yarns in here, too]. But if all the data that has come my way in the Game 12 dead thread is clean then that means that the remaining mafia is two out of the following list of three:

    Cicerius
    Pilchard
    Wynton

    I have a hard time not pegging Cic as one of these two. The problem is that both Pilchard and Wynton have been aggressive in their prosecution of the Cicerius case.

    I will be chewing on this as we go forward.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    hmm, this dead thread is exactly that.
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    Nut, did you read Nside's report that the Den was considering a no-hit on Night Two to mean that they were hoping the Doctor would mistakenly protect one of their own and thereby acquire known innocent status in the eyes of the Doctor ?

    If so, the question becomes who would the Doc be likely to protect. As the situation now stands, it seems that Pilchard would fit that bill more than most of those remaining.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    morning guys.
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    Whoever the Mafia is, they know that San is inno at the very least and they would fear him greatly as the Hunter. With that in mind, it's interesting that Pilchard's first stance was to challenge San's claim whereas Wynton has cozied up to it.
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    Here's some good news...it's starting to look like San will not be in jeopardy of being lynched today, based on some of the latest slates. And I've got to think the Doctor will be protecting him at night. This puts pressure on the Mafia - they almost have to win quickly now, given that the power of the Hunter grows the deeper into the game we get.
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    Wynton is happy to let other players assign him tasks and even steer him as to which candidates to consider/analyze whereas we can rest assured Pilchard is doing his own work.

    If I take the "Cybrarian Challenge" and pit these two against each other, I would have to vote against Wynton based on this consideration.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    Wynton is innocent
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I think that San goes deep in this game now. I think it was absolutely correct for him to come out as Hunter as he did given that he was going to be a likely lynch candidate today.

    Pizza, you mention the strength of the Hunter grows the deeper it goes, but how can they win quickly? San will likely become a very trusted innocent and be protected from here on out. They need to get the doctor soon as that is the only thing I can see that could "speed" up the game.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    Pilchard stinks to high heaven right now, but I don't think he'll be challenged.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I forgot, does the traitor come up as innocent or traitor on an investigation?
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    By quickly, I mean go perfect in the lynches and get lucky at night. It's 6-3 right now. Could be 4-3 when we begin Day Four and then all you have to do is get a good lynch. As long as San is kept alive, he's effectively just another inno.
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    One nugget that we have by virtue of being in the dead thread is that we know that MX considered bb88 and Irish as potential traitor candidates. Both of these players exposed Pilchard to serious jeopardy on Day One.
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    Nut, could you present your case against Pilchard ?
    • CommentAuthorkrazytxan
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    hello
    :fingersear:
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I dunno .. mx, are you pulling fast ones in here?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    KT, I am refraining from using a certain smiley ... but I'll go with this one :kissing:
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    LOL
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    I don't really have a case against him, but his vote for mx doesn't clear him completely ...

    he made it fairly early and then "left." he could have easily been monitoring and they could have decided beforehand to go for cover early and an RNG situation wasn't terrible.
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    Did you see that question above about what Nside was driving at re: the considered no-hit on Night Two and the "known innocent" business ?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    or maybe wynton thought I was the traitor ... I dunno ... I'm just kind of watching instead of digging (kind of like I did the whole game), which may be why I came across as "suspicious"
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    Nutjob:I dunno .. mx, are you pulling fast ones in here?


    no sir, I believe I have been pretty straight forward in here.

    Welcome KT!
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    hmmm, I think the risk - the doctor protects a real innocent who becomes confirmed - vs. the reward - the doctor protects a mafia who is then "confirmed" is interesting...

    you'd have to have a real good chance of getting a doc protect to risk not killing someone AND having a doc confirmation (be it a false but true confirmation) ... I would argue against it if I were in the den...

    btw, why didn't the doc protect Pie last night?
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     
    MX wrote: "I believe" I have been "pretty" straight-forward in here.

    please don't do this to me. pretty please.

    remove the quoted parts, would ya?