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    • CommentAuthornsidestrate
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007 edited
     
    I see dead people.
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    Interesting bit of trivia:

    Every vote cast by the angel or doctor to protect has been for a member of the bad guys they hope to protect against. Doctor protected mafia player twice, angel protected wolf tonight. I find it amusing.
    • CommentAuthorDogs
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    I was on page 16 when I went to bed last night, and look at it now. 30 pages and a lynching later - this is why I chose not to play in this one ;-)

    I was still thinking about the game this morning, and my feelings are that the wolves could be rampant. If they manage to turn a 'known' innocent later in the game, it will be very powerful. Shame the seer died so early, as it would have been interesting to see if they ever re-examined someone. I do like the idea of recruitment though; hopefully it will be a success this time and allow you to use it again.

    The protecting is quite amusing. Am I right in thinking that it actually has no adverse effect (other than wasting the protection)?
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    It has no adverse effect, it just suggests that the doctor and angel are clueless right now.
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    The idea of the turning when they are down to one is that it allows what was a one-sided game to recover in time for the end game. Having three teams does that to some extent as well. Because once enough innocents die, the odds are much greater that the mafia or the wolves will kill each other.
  4.  
    This thread is going to get a lot more active in a few hours. A talkative player is going to be joining us.
    • CommentAuthorDogs
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    I'd better get reading then to catch up.

    If you were doctor or angel, is it optimum strategy to protect someone if you're clueless? When it's just Mafia vs Innocents, the doctor can't do any harm by protecting a bad guy, but in this case he could potentially stop a Mafia hit on a Wolf. The odds are stacked so it's only a small chance, but I can't get a feel for quite how big a disadvantage it would be if that happened.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    nsidestrate:This thread is going to get a lot more active in a few hours. A talkative player is going to be joining us.



    and here I am!

    I now know what it feels like to be the first one out and consider it a badge of honor to feel like I am a threat to someone :)
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    and now I realize that nside is probably not talking about me.....
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    now, I have no clue who would have gone after ogre, but let's talk about what has happened to me.

    players that I feel would feel me as a threat:

    san
    nut
    pizza
    wynton
    KT

    Of those, I feel that Wynton and pizza are innocents and looking that way on San as well leaving me nut and KT. Of these 2, I have to place my vote to lynch Nutjob.
  5.  
    I generally prefer the dead threads where we can play along, so I won't tell you how close you are.

    I can preview some things for you that aren't generally known, I guess. San is about to be killed by the mafia. I am unable to read the wolves yet. The two wolves have pretty divergent viewpoints on strategy at this point. We won't see daybreak until 7 or 8 tonight.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    I kind of though that San was on his way.

    And I agree that we should be blind here :)
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    out for a few hours as I head to the dreaded Chuck E Cheese for a b-day party for my son :cry:. Tis really a shame they don't serve beer there.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    hmmm, 3 hours have passed and no thread reopening yet. Know it's not the wolfes and the mafia so one of our innocent specials are causing the delay....???....
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    It was mostly the wolves and partially your humble narrator.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2007
     
    Hello afterlife.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Hector LeMans: Oh Sanny... so cynical... What happened to you, Sanny, that caused you to lose your sense of hope, your love of life?

    Sanuel Calavera: I died.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    For what it's worth I had the following down as certain innocents at this point

    Wynton (yay got one right at least)
    Pizza
    BD

    I was leaning innocent on cyb.

    Had all five of us been around at daybreak I was going to go all military on this side and try to push a don't lynch this lot stance through. If all are correct that would leave 5/7 remaining bad guys.

    Unfortunately, the lynchings make things a bit harder.

    My gut reaction to the vote yesterday is that nut and pie cannot be on the same side of bad guys, though both could be evil.

    Packone could be in the mafia with nut based on the "nut is innocent" comment. This is something i was planning on pulling the enxt time i was a bad guy, so it loathes me to mention it, but it essentially makes packone look like a detective, so most players will try to ignore discussing it in the game thread whilst pencillin him in as a good gu for a few days. When it eventually becomes clear that he's not, and people question him on it, it becomes a throw away statement of opinion made 2 minutes before a crucial deadline. ... Of course he's equally likely to come out and say a non-mafia is innocent, but that would imply that no-one on his team was under pressure. ... Nut's certainly capable of making that kind of play, so it's a serious consideration.

    If I was alive I'd be pushing a detective reveal. Then i'd force the doc to protect him...the wolves wouldn't take him out and the mafia couldn't. Just hope the doc didn't bite it in the night.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Eh, I really had few reads and was counting on figuring things out today, based on the votes. I kind of fellt Pizza was an innocent and Pie was guilty, but that was about it. Maybe I'll continue to do more analysis now.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    One thing I wonder about is who the doc was protecting. I would have thought that either San or myself would have been pretty good people to protect.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Jane, Pie, Torch.

    These were the 3 who voted nut last night. All 3 were around at the deadline and should have seen packone's post.

    Now I know my immediate thought upon reading that was "he's the detective and he's investigated nut". I presume the same should ring true for these 3, but they didn't shift.

    So what does that say? Well, it could mean they didn't refresh the page often enough, or missed the post. But it could also mean they instantly dismissed the thought/knew about it in advance. A warewolf wouldn't change his vote based on this info. A mafia wouldn't care.

    Since none of the three are on my cleared list, I'd say this turn of events ups all three on the stinky-o-meter a bit.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Wynton:One thing I wonder about is who the doc was protecting. I would have thought that either San or myself would have been pretty good people to protect.


    Either nut or pie, probably.

    I will be very surprised if both turn out to be innocent.
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    I predict at least two bad guys die in the next 24 hours, maybe three.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Here's hoping you're right nside.

    In the last game I was sold on nut's evilness, and clearly can't read him for love nor money. So there's a good shot that he's innocent. I'm willing to remove him form my considerations for the moment, though i'd be returning to look at him in detail before the lynch.

    So at the moment I think I'd want tonight's lynch to come from this group of 6:

    Wade
    Torch
    Packone
    Pie
    jrs
    jane

    None of them have done anything to make me think "innocent", except possibly packone who could be about to claim detective.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    oops, throw KT into that group and make it a group of 7.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    By the way nside, you couldn't spill the beans and tell me what my original role was could you?
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007 edited
     
    I can't seem to trear myself away from this game even when i'm dead. :bigsmile:

    Packone just posted in seemingly hidden mode.

    Pie's last list is FOS....case in point

    "BernardDogs - Seems to be making a lot of very elaborate posts for a newbie. I really didn't understand his thinking coming up to crunch time last night. Was he saying we should put it to the RNG or that we should definitely not use the RNG even if that meant lynching someone we didn'y want to lynch. Suspicious."

    Yes it's faulty logic from BD, but as has been discussed faulty logic does not make someone mafia. My preferred way of saying it is "looking suspicious probaably makes you innocent". Pie would surely know that by now.

    Pie is mafia.

    Tentative suspicion that (one of his) denmate/s is Wade. If that was the case it would make a lot of sense for the mafia to hit me last night.

    MMkay, san's MAFIA (note - for the first time i do mean mafia as opposed to bad guys) list:

    Pie
    Wade
    XXX

    Next task - go through the thread and look for reasons that doesn't make sense.
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    san:By the way nside, you couldn't spill the beans and tell me what my original role was could you?


    I honestly don't remember. You weren't a bad guy, although you may have been the doc or angel.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    I was the original doc in the terminated game. Haven't read any of the game thread to see what has happened yet.

    Welcome Wynton and San
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Thanks MX. Pleasure to be here. Means I can regain some semblance of a life. :D

    I would suggest that the innocents don't need to worry about pizza. Since everyone views him as innocent anyway, there's a fair old chance that he'll be taken out at night, which applies if he's a good guy or a bad guy.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007 edited
     
    KT wrote:

    First of all you didn't see me because I had the hidden button on. It's under profile. During almost all of the mafia games, I intermittently turn my status on and off, regardless of my role.


    Ding ding ding on teh KT is completely innocent-o-meter.

    And I bet everyone else thinks that that makes her mafia. :devil:

    So, 5 from 6...

    Wade
    Torch
    Packone
    Pie
    jrs
    jane
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    I agree with about KT. It is weird that she hides like that, but we all have our quirks.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    When the guys in the thread are talking about a mass-reveal, they're surely not suggesting that the doc and the seer out themselves are they?

    That would be a truly terrible idea.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    I don't think there is much of a real movement for that kind of reveal. Most are just debating what the detective should do. Without analyzing all the math, my gut is that the detective should reveal himself, though.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    I very much agree, because it would guarantee his safety.

    I don't think it matters how many people he knows are/aren't mafia at all.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Does BD's constant misunderstandings of the game vaguely remind anyone of game 12 pilchard?

    He does seem to be misunderstanding a LOT of what's going on, on a basic level.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Nut votes Wade and Pizza votes Torch.

    I like both of those votes.

    Now if someone would be so kind as to vote Pie I'd be pretty ecstatic.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    I think BD was genuinely confused about the quorum thing. I actually meant to correct him much earlier about that, but I kept forgetting to do so.

    It's hard to believe that he would make that particular kind of mistake if he was being counseled by another bad guy,
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    On the other hand, I notice he also claims to have been skimming all the past mafia threads. If he really read those, he shoud know the rules. I suspect he's just exaggerating how much he read.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a highly probable innocent.

    I'm just willing keep an open mind about it, and will be increasingly weary if he makes more foul ups in the days ahead.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    BD and fatty going at it hard and fast all day long surely makes the 2 of them nigh-on locks for innocenthood.

    At least it would if it was anyone but fatshaft.

    Still i'll be unhappy if either of these two gets lynched.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007 edited
     
    FFS what a vote count this is.

    Nutjob (2 votes)
    BD (2 votes)
    Cybrarian (2 votes)
    jrspm (2 votes)
    Fatshaft (1 vote)
    JaneG (1 vote)
    Wade (1 vote)
    Torch (1 vote)

    The only one with 2 votes i could see as being a good lynching at this point would be jrs.
    :devil:

    And i'm disappointed with whomever the detective is that he hasn't seen he is in jeopardy tonight and could save himself by exposing.

    Guess I lose a point in the mafia league table. Bah humbug.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Pizza wrote:

    am absolutely convinced that

    Pie
    janeg
    BD

    are innocent.


    Oh dear lord.

    *tfears of a pizza/pie/xxx mafia briefly cross san's mind*
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    BD seems to think the entire mafia/warewolf strategy would revolve around getting him to vote the way they want to. :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    Looks like a jrs lynch then.

    I'll go on record as saying that that's not terrible, i certainly couldn't put him in an innocent category based on the game he played. However, i think there were much better candidates....none of whom were on the final slate, unfortunately.
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    san:BD seems to think the entire mafia/warewolf strategy would revolve around getting him to vote the way they want to. :bigsmile:


    A not-uncommon fault. ;)
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    I think the mafia will kill a wolf for certain. The wolves are less clear to me.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    not too surprised.

    I predict that Pizza will be joining us shortly, whether he's innocent or not.

    I'll also say that I don't think there's anyway BD is biting it tonight, unless he's reading it right and i'm miles off.
    • CommentAuthorsan
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2007
     
    nsidestrate:I think the mafia will kill a wolf for certain. The wolves are less clear to me.


    That's good. Means the good guys would still just about have a majority of the votes to play with.

    However, getting fatty and BD to vote the same way, assuming they're both innocent, could prove a little troublesome.
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    san:I'll also say that I don't think there's anyway BD is biting it tonight, unless he's reading it right and i'm miles off.


    What do you think his role is?