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Wynton:Ok, I read through Pie's plan and it make sense to me now. The whole thing is possible simply because all of the innocents specials are gone.
This is why I suspect that the kingmaker format may require having an unknown possibility of numerous specials.
fojar:Wynton:Ok, I read through Pie's plan and it make sense to me now. The whole thing is possible simply because all of the innocents specials are gone.
This is why I suspect that the kingmaker format may require having an unknown possibility of numerous specials.
it works from the beginning, the specials just have to out themselves day one.
fojar:i think a random kingmaker does most of the work at fixing this game.
in fact, i'd probably say that a random kingmaker fixes the problem completely.
that's where most of the balance issue lies. i'd say that even with the every night vigi, if there were a random kingmaker this game would be balanced.
Wynton:Eh, if the percentage of innocent specials is high enough, and you have mass revealing and false-revealing going on, I do no think it's obvious that the mob will prevail. Imagine a scenario where 4/5 of the players are declaring. Going after the conflicts could doom the town.
wade:fojar:i think a random kingmaker does most of the work at fixing this game.
in fact, i'd probably say that a random kingmaker fixes the problem completely.
that's where most of the balance issue lies. i'd say that even with the every night vigi, if there were a random kingmaker this game would be balanced.
But what if it results in mafia being chosen KM at the end and he can appoint a denmate as king?
wade:fojar:i think a random kingmaker does most of the work at fixing this game.
in fact, i'd probably say that a random kingmaker fixes the problem completely.
that's where most of the balance issue lies. i'd say that even with the every night vigi, if there were a random kingmaker this game would be balanced.
But what if it results in mafia being chosen KM at the end and he can appoint a denmate as king?
Wynton:Eh, if the percentage of innocent specials is high enough, and you have mass revealing and false-revealing going on, I do no think it's obvious that the mob will prevail. Imagine a scenario where 4/5 of the players are declaring. Going after the conflicts could doom the town.
Tall Paul:wade:fojar:i think a random kingmaker does most of the work at fixing this game.
in fact, i'd probably say that a random kingmaker fixes the problem completely.
that's where most of the balance issue lies. i'd say that even with the every night vigi, if there were a random kingmaker this game would be balanced.
But what if it results in mafia being chosen KM at the end and he can appoint a denmate as king?
I assume the same restrictions on Kingmaker would apply - ie can't be mafia or special - but they'd be randomly chosen from the vanilla innocents.
Tall Paul:I can't wait for San to turn up and try and convince them that this is a bad idea.
Wynton:Tall Paul:I can't wait for San to turn up and try and convince them that this is a bad idea.
San is not a happy camper right now.
Wynton:Tall Paul:I can't wait for San to turn up and try and convince them that this is a bad idea.
San is not a happy camper right now.
MXRider:in the interest of fairness ot this game, would it be unwise to institute a random KM assignment at this point?
MXRider:in the interest of fairness ot this game, would it be unwise to institute a random KM assignment at this point?
Wynton:BD just violated an old rule by suggesting a sidebet. Any suggestions for an appropriate sanction?
Wynton:Did BD's rule violation give me a legitimate opening to making the end game more interesting?
For example, could I institute as a sanction the rule that BD cannot be named King for a day?
Wynton:Did BD's rule violation give me a legitimate opening to making the end game more interesting?
For example, could I institute as a sanction the rule that BD cannot be named King for a day?
Wynton:Seriously, should I impose that sanction on him?
I don't want to over-react, but maybe it's worth doing for the greater good of the game?
Nutjob:Nah, they can't do squat to the moderator ....
I assume the mafia hated that the vig was given unlimited ammo ... but then loved it once he knocked off the detective?
Nutjob:Hay Wynton, since cats are out of the bag: Pizza is the KM, right?