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    Asking for votes = not being a bad-ass mod. Tell 'em new rules and ignore the whining.

    It is much easier (and more entertaining) to watch from the sidelines.
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    I'd also tend to prefer something more or less in the spirit of the new format. Keep the king!
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    Now I'm teasing Wynton in the game thread. I ban myself. :rolling:
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    /\/\/\
    I agree
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    I can't decide whether I'm amused or not that I made such a mess out of the whole thing.

    I think, overall, I'm amused.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    er, with the forced ruling, not the ban :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Wynton:I can't decide whether I'm amused or not that I made such a mess out of the whole thing.

    I think, overall, I'm amused.

    I certainly am :bigsmile: I can't wait to read the den thread and see San getting his knickers in a twist.

    Off to bed, looking forward to overnight developments.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Wynton, you didn't make a mess of it. We all had plently of time to consider the format during the signup phase, so it was a group effort.
    • CommentAuthorFumseck
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Hey guys!

    MX sorry for killing you man!

    I haven't read anything yet, but I will post my thoughts that lead me to the killing of TRK and MX. I don't know if Wynton posted them here or not.

    Day 1:

    Hi Wynton,

    As the VIG, I opt to kill TRK tonight.

    For posterity:
    I agree with NJ about the VIG coming out early in this game. I am still wondering why no one has mentionned that if the KM reveals and is not killed by the mob, the VIG can always wack him if the king does not want to lose a lynch. This is the stroungest point in favor of the VIG coming out early I think. Since NJ mentions it, he gets inno points from me.

    On a side note, I think the VIG wacking the KM is better because when the King executes the KM, we basically lose info for that day, it gives a free pass to the King.

    By revealing that there is a VIG in the game, we may start the KM revealing discussion again. I really would like the KM reveals.

    To be honest, I wanted to wack SJ today, because he did not post anything yesterday - it was the safe choice. Cyb mentionned it, but a bit too late. My other choice was Fojar, but he has posted and the feel I got is inno compared to the last game.

    I have doubts about TRK and I think he is taking a freeroll with the SJ killing, especially after Cyb mentions we could wait for the VIG.

    If TRK is mafia, it will put a lot of suspicion on TP. Because in fact TRK is pretty much protecting him by going the "safe" way.



    Day 2
    Tougher one today.

    Posterity
    Don't have time for all the detail, but I have to do it, it helps me think, I don't mind having a low lier BB88 in place, because the next king who goes for a low lier will probably be dirty. The vig can take care of him at anytime, unless he dies.

    I honestly think MX is mobbed up. Some things he said about looking innocent etc.. Just didn't seem right. I also think San is mobbed up, but I actully think he knows I am the vig. So if I don;t die tonight I will put San in my inno camp for now...

    I may be wrong about MX, but he looks too dirty to me to be at the end game

    I wack MX



    This is a what I had planned releasing if I was going to be executed by the Queen:


    About the MX kill.

    I know the town wanted bb88. But what do we gain if I go for bb88? Nothing.

    TRK pointed the finger at 3 people TP, MX and San. The switcheroo he did saved MX or San.

    MX lynched Fojar who was mafia. I honestly thought that MX was dirty, I am sure I am not the only one. Fojar to me is a sacrificial lamb. I figured that if MX was mobbed up he could very well have executed Fojar for cover.

    I think the town gained more info with a MX kill than a bb88 kill, that night. MX was the detective so it was a bad choice, but if MX was only a regular innocent, it would not have been a bad choice IMO.

    With MX status known, I am pretty sure San is dirty. Would I go for San the following day? No, I would go for bb88 because I know he has to be removed. I just didn’t think he had to be removed yesterday. I knew I would not be KN by the mafia that day, so I could easily take bb88 the following day. I did not think I would be killed by the Queen though.

    The most important thing about not going for bb88 that day is that the MX kill gave me a cover from my vig status. I am pretty sure that a lot of people thought that wes was the vig. Wes is the most likely candidate to do this sort of thing. As a side bonus, if wes is not taken out by the mob the day after, I pretty much have to think he is mobbed up and I am sure the others will think the same.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Hi Fum. Haven't read your post yet, but hope you didn't take some of the criticism in the thread the wrong way.

    I would however like to thank you for calling NJ an ass :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorFumseck
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Tall Paul:Interesting indeed. KT to be mafia killed tonight I think. The mafia's chances just got a whole lot better.

    Fumseck should've claimed Vig,I think, when he was looking in danger.


    Just read this.

    I was looking closely at Jane's decision. She mentionned 2 or 3 times that she was wondering why I wasn't on MX list and then a lot of people voted to lynch Pie. I was certain she was going for Pie...
    • CommentAuthorFumseck
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    MXRider:someone get me a fumseck hammer................


    :shocked::sad::shamed::cry:
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    I'm really getting punchy now.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007 edited
     
    wade:Hi Fum. Haven't read your post yet, but hope you didn't take some of the criticism in the thread the wrong way.

    I would however like to thank you for calling NJ an ass :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:


    MUPPET!!!!!!!!!!! :fingersear:


    Anywho, now that Wynton has declared game-on, Jane has basically announced she is an inno - not that she needed it ....

    LOL at passersby piling into the game thread...
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    At this point, my goal is to break the mafia game entirely, so that it may never be played again, in any form.

    Bwaahahahahah.:devil::devil::devil::devil:
    • CommentAuthorFumseck
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    Nutjob:
    wade:Hi Fum. Haven't read your post yet, but hope you didn't take some of the criticism in the thread the wrong way.

    I would however like to thank you for calling NJ an ass :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:



    I said he was an *ss... not an ass.
    :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2007
     
    I just got home and honestly can't tell if the game ended yet.
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    wade:I just got home and honestly can't tell if the game ended yet.


    Still going. Town should be a lock if they do it right.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Lord, let it end already.

    Incidentally, there's a 50/50 chance I'm starting a trial tomorrow (and that's been weighing on my mind for a while). If all I have to do is announce the end of day/night, etc, I can probably deal with that, by making some scheduling announcements, so that things happen after court. But it might be wise to enlist one of you to take over the moderating/screwing up the game job.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Wynton:Lord, let it end already.

    Incidentally, there's a 50/50 chance I'm starting a trial tomorrow (and that's been weighing on my mind for a while). If all I have to do is announce the end of day/night, etc, I can probably deal with that, by making some scheduling announcements, so that things happen after court. But it might be wise to enlist one of you to take over the moderating/screwing up the game job.


    I'm not touching this one with a 10' pole :shocked:
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    I can help, if you need it. I just locked the thread for you.
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    I guess San has an extreme long-shot to win here. The town will presumably kill bb88 today with BD as KM and Jane as Queen (although this is a mistake!). San will then NK Jane. This will leave:

    bbwes
    BD (KM)
    KT (known inno)
    Pizza
    San

    Since KT is the known inno, I assume BD will name her Queen. If San can somehow convince her to take out Pizza or bbwes, he will win. He will simply kill the other one. BD will have no choice by rule but to name San as the new King (KT can't be Queen two days running). He can taunt them all day, kill one and NK the other. I think KT will take out San, but it isn't a total lock.
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    I just realized that San worked this whole thing out yesterday. No credit for me.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    I was just toying with an idea that probably had no support.

    Look at the rules. Tell me if there is a reasonable way of interpreting them so that the dead Kingmaker - Cyb - has to decide upon his replacement PRIOR to the night kill.

    The answer is probably "no," and I already posted that the mob should send in their choice so perhaps it's too late either way. But I was just contemplating whether that approach would make a difference.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    nsidestrate:I just realized that San worked this whole thing out yesterday. No credit for me.


    I guess you also saw that he was planning to brag to you about how you failed to work it all out. Now you're depriving him of even that?
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Anyone here? I'm re-reading the rules and I actually think they're vague as to when the kingmaker has to choose his replacement.

    I could make Cyb make his choice now! Would this be good/bad, would it risk more infamy for the moderator?
    • CommentAuthornsidestrate
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007 edited
     
    I toyed around with that in my mind. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to make him choose now. If the mafia hit the same player (*cough* BD *cough*), then that player will have to choose his replacement. I don't think it changes anything if they did hit him and I don't think they will hit him anyhow. They will kill Piemaster
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    I actually sent Cyb a list of the eligible players (and I don't have the night kill yet). I didn't give him any indication whether he had to make the choice now or not. (Arguably, I was just satisfying his curiosity.)

    I assume he will send me a message now asking if he has to make his choice right now.

    Wonder how I'll answer, if he asks? If he just makes a choice, maybe I'll let the choice stand.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Meanwhile, I haven't seen the mobsters around for ages.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    If Cyb chose Piemaster, and the mob killed Pie, would the mob have any more of a chance of winning?
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    San is almost always out during this window. He'll be back in a few hours.
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    You really haven't been following the KM discussion, have you? If Cyb kills Piemaster, the mafia would win because he would be indicating to the town that KT was mobbed up. Presumably Cyb would not make such a horrible mistake. Paradoxically, when the mafia killed Pie too, it would offer Pie the chance to fix what Cyb had screwed up so badly and he would make BD the KM and we'd be in the same position we would have been if Cyb made BD the KM in the first place.

    The mafia could kill BD and hope that he wasn't following the KM discussion fully. He would then be asked to pick a new KM and I guess he might screw up and make it BBwes or someone else wrong. That is risky, and I think on balance the mafia should assume that BD would do the right thing (name JaneG) and make their best hit, which is probably Piemaster.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    When I said Pie, it was just as an example. I was simply asking what would happen if Cyb chose someone who would then happen to be killed.

    Anyway, this is not likely to happen here. But I was just curious whether such a simultaneous hit of someone, like BD, would change the numbers, aside from how it works out in terms of the town's plan, following Cyb's death.

    In fact, forget this game. The question simply is whether forcing the KM to name a replacement before the mob acts is good for the game or in any way gives the mob an advantage.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Wynton:Anyone here? I'm re-reading the rules and I actually think they're vague as to when the kingmaker has to choose his replacement.

    I could make Cyb make his choice now! Would this be good/bad, would it risk more infamy for the moderator?


    I think this had been thought of but if the requested new km is killed, he has to pick again. No use in tryin to work this one.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Too late, I got bored waiting for Cyb to choose, so posted the mob choice. Obviously, the simultaneous kill wasn't going to happen, but we should work out a rule about this for the future, if this format is ever used again.
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    Wynton:When I said Pie, it was just as an example. I was simply asking what would happen if Cyb chose someone who would then happen to be killed.

    Anyway, this is not likely to happen here. But I was just curious whether such a simultaneous hit of someone, like BD, would change the numbers, aside from how it works out in terms of the town's plan, following Cyb's death.

    In fact, forget this game. The question simply is whether forcing the KM to name a replacement before the mob acts is good for the game or in any way gives the mob an advantage.


    The bottom line with the counts as they are today is no. It wouldn't change anything. Either Cyb picks with a dead inno from the mafia or the dead inno picks from the same exact list. The only change is that the dead inno is now doing the picking.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    lol twilight zone
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    I'm rooting for Cyb to come up with an unprecedented display of silliness.

    Earlier, I sent him an "eligible" list, which included Pie. Then, I posted about Pie's death. Maybe he won't even notice the death scene and he'll name Pie as the replacement.

    Then, I get to say something like: "Because of the dead KM's ineptitude, there will be no King today. A kingmaster will be chosen randomly tomorrow!"

    C'mon, Cyb, play along.
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    Pie is en route.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    lol
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Quick everyone, let's make a plan to tell Pie that he missed something fundamental and now has doomed his team.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
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    I need to talk to Niin. He shouldn't have been able to include a link.
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    it was in his signature somehow
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    Wynton:Quick everyone, let's make a plan to tell Pie that he missed something fundamental and now has doomed his team.


    He has missed an absolutely foolproof 100% lock to win for his side.
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Actually, you're right Nside. I forgot about what both you and San came up with.

    Pie should get a demerit now.
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    The town, notably Pizza, might still work it out. It is slightly more complex than last night's scenario, because they need an either/or rule depending on who the mafia hits
    • CommentAuthorMXRider
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    nsidestrate:
    Wynton:Quick everyone, let's make a plan to tell Pie that he missed something fundamental and now has doomed his team.


    He has missed an absolutely foolproof 100% lock to win for his side.


    curious as to this one actually
    • CommentAuthorPiemaster
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Hi everyone

    Wynton it does say specifically in the rules that the old KM picks the new KM AFTER the mafia kill. I know because I checked it out when I wass formulating my plan
    • CommentAuthorPiemaster
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2007
     
    Night - All players make their night actions except the Kingmaker. Once I have all the choices, we enter Dawn.

    Dawn - I post the death scene, but the thread doesn't open yet. Once the Kingmaker knows which players are still alive, they secretly PM the new King choice to me. Once I reveal who the King is, the thread will be opened in Day. If the Kingmaker died, a new Kingmaker will be chosen in Dawn.


    Seems pretty black and white to me