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    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    If it is KT, she's played it almost perfectly.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    I agree, I think she's played a brilliant game to this point.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009 edited
     
    But we also let her. When will we learn - always question the "definitely innocent" BEFORE it's too late.
    I'm at the point though where I'll be surprised if it's not her.
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    An interesting read in here this morning. I certainly was expecting some sort of response from her to the "patsy" comments but by now had forgotten that she didn't respond. A quick fiery response (or acknowledgment) might serve as additional confirmation that she's inno but now one might start to wonder.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    I suspect that she didn't respond because she was thinking "Patsy? I'll show you what a patsy I am" :)
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    Provided the mobster actually removes gun from holster, I'd expect packone to be the NK.

    Bad wes - San is dirty and removed his #1 accuser
    Bad San - Wes tried to frame me
    Bad KT - you two get in the ring and sort it out
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    This would be as good a time as any to ask what inspired you to bring the Game 6 avatar down from the trophy closet.

    I can think of a couple reasons...

    1. After 2 consecutive appearances as mafia, you were energized to see an innocent PM and reached back to touch base with one of your best innocent performances.

    2. Provided any baddies would remember Game 6 it might have been a way to give them a false scent that you might be the real Spartacus (since you were the Doc that game).
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    BugsBunny:I suspect that she didn't respond because she was thinking "Patsy? I'll show you what a patsy I am" :)


    :rolling:
  4.  
    I have not actually read the thread, except for about six posts on Day One, but I think it is Wes. It is always Wes.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:Provided the mobster actually removes gun from holster, I'd expect packone to be the NK.

    Bad wes - San is dirty and removed his #1 accuser
    Bad San - Wes tried to frame me
    Bad KT - you two get in the ring and sort it out


    If Pack goes the odds that it's actually San go up. I think KT keeps Pack. I'm not sure if she keeps Wes or San though. My guess is San. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out though. She may keep both Wes and San just to try and put one over on both of them. If she does that it may well backfire on her though.

    If it is KT her best chance of winning is to keep Pack.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    If there were two wolves in the game, I wonder if they'd be ok with a no-lynch today.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:This would be as good a time as any to ask what inspired you to bring the Game 6 avatar down from the trophy closet.

    I can think of a couple reasons...

    1. After 2 consecutive appearances as mafia, you were energized to see an innocent PM and reached back to touch base with one of your best innocent performances.

    2. Provided any baddies would remember Game 6 it might have been a way to give them a false scent that you might be the real Spartacus (since you were the Doc that game).


    Nothing so convoluted :)

    I haven't played in quite a while and needed a new avatar for this game anyways. It was a spur of the moment decision with no real thought. Although you are correct that I would not have brought it out if I was on the darkside. And will probably never bring it out again, at least not as an avatar. (Although you never know).
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    BugsBunny:
    pizzabynight:Provided the mobster actually removes gun from holster, I'd expect packone to be the NK.

    Bad wes - San is dirty and removed his #1 accuser
    Bad San - Wes tried to frame me
    Bad KT - you two get in the ring and sort it out


    If Pack goes the odds that it's actually San go up. I think KT keeps Pack. I'm not sure if she keeps Wes or San though. My guess is San. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out though. She may keep both Wes and San just to try and put one over on both of them. If she does that it may well backfire on her though.

    If it is KT her best chance of winning is to keep Pack.


    The remaining mobster definitely has a difficult decision tonight. I honestly have no idea who they will choose.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    KT has been hammering away at Wes most of the game - she has to keep him around, I would think. Keep Pack around to take down Wes?

    Not that it matters, what with San being mafia.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    I nearly forgot - thew - what were the motives behind your votes? Particularly on day 1. This is for Pizza's benefit :smoking:
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    wade:If there were two wolves in the game, I wonder if they'd be ok with a no-lynch today.


    I suspect not. They win if they hit mafia, get a tie if they hit innocent. If they no lynch they risk losing, although if there are 2 wolves the innocents have no chance of winning and it's simply a play between the mafia and the wolves. If I was innocent and a wolf turned up dead tomorrow I'd simply refuse to vote and demand a 3 way tie.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    nsidestrate:I have not actually read the thread, except for about six posts on Day One, but I think it is Wes. It is always Wes.


    Past results are not an indicator of future happenings :)
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    cyb:KT has been hammering away at Wes most of the game - she has to keep him around, I would think. Keep Pack around to take down Wes?

    Not that it matters, what with San being mafia.


    I'm almost tempted to make a wager on this.
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    Bugsbunny:Nothing so convoluted:)


    Knew that was coming.:smile:

    cyb:I nearly forgot - thew - what were the motives behind your votes? Particularly on day 1. This is for Pizza's benefit :smoking:


    Whatever this is, when it gets here I don't think I'm going to like it.:tongue:
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    well that went about as i expected.

    rats.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    almost?
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    say someone does get lynched today and there are no wolves left. does it go to RNG tomorrow, or do mafia win?
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    fojar:say someone does get lynched today and there are no wolves left. does it go to RNG tomorrow, or do mafia win?


    The mafia would win.:cry:
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    also: if it's KT, kudos.
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    hmm, well then a no vote today may make sense. tough call.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    San's reaction to being lynched today instead of a no-lynch would be worth the admission fee, whichever side he's on... :cool:
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    fojar:say someone does get lynched today and there are no wolves left. does it go to RNG tomorrow, or do mafia win?


    We've always had victory conditions based on when the Town doesn't have the power to vote them out. But I have wondered at times whether the Town should argue that they should at least get a face off with the RNG if both teams have equal numbers. I'm fine with the way we've handled it at ITH though.
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    cyb:San's reaction to being lynched today instead of a no-lynch would be worth the admission fee, whichever side he's on... :cool:


    And whichever side he's on, keeping you around as a foil to keep him in line, would have certainly added to the overall enjoyment level.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Anyone want to know why Bugs was the NK last night?

    Here's San just before the end of the previous day:

    "To be honest...I haven't got the energy to finish the bugs review today...

    I am satisfied that Bugs looks less guilty than Fojar, so my vote stands.

    IF this game is still going on tomorrow, I will finish it then."
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    KT's day 1 seems pretty innocent to me. She also seems to be thinking imaginatively in a non-mafia way.

    OTOH, day 1 was a long time ago, and most of us were slightly confused back then. Unlike now... :shocked:
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    cyb:Anyone want to know why Bugs was the NK last night?

    Here's San just before the end of the previous day:

    "To be honest...I haven't got the energy to finish the bugs review today...

    I am satisfied that Bugs looks less guilty than Fojar, so my vote stands.

    IF this game is still going on tomorrow, I will finish it then."


    nh
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:
    fojar:say someone does get lynched today and there are no wolves left. does it go to RNG tomorrow, or do mafia win?


    We've always had victory conditions based on when the Town doesn't have the power to vote them out. But I have wondered at times whether the Town should argue that they should at least get a face off with the RNG if both teams have equal numbers. I'm fine with the way we've handled it at ITH though.


    yeah, both ways have their merits. fwiw, i'm not sure which way would be more realistic.
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    man, what is going to happen today!
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    voting no-one is weak. I don't care about the numbers. Just gives the bad guy more chance to tie the remaining folks up in knots. And really the remaining people in this game might as well toss a coin to decide tomorrow anyway, it's not like any great reads are suddenly going to appear now. So just get it done already!
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    cyb:almost?


    How much? I say san is clean.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Why is Wes posting in the dead thread?:confused:
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Wes makes me smile :)
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    So who bites the bullet tonight? I'm guessing Wes, with an outside shot at San. If Pack goes I'll be shocked. IF Pack goes back over my posts AND finds what I posted about the end game AND pays attention to it we may have a chance.


    Interesting quote from KT.
    The mafia are never ever going to NK Wes.
    He is beneficial to their side whether he is mafia or not.
    How many of you want to battle him in the end game?
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    If its KT, Wes could go, leaving Pack who is strongly anti-san

    If its San, he could follow his bugs play by removing KT so he doesn't have to do his summary. Or he could remove Wes, which would leave him with pack and KT who are both strongly anti-san. Could he carry that off?
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Pack bought it :shocked:
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    It's not San I tell you :) I don't think San goes for Pizza in that spot. And Nut going is definitely a KT indicator, I called her on it early in the game. Nut reads KT very well.. And it's definitely unKT like to ignore that set of posts that was directed, more or less, specifically at her. She basically avoided interacting with me - because I normally get a good read on her as well. Jane responded. Even Pack responded stating that his end game record was also less than stellar (0-2 or 3 he thought), he was bemoaning the lack of Pizza to give the exact number). KT was totally silent.

    And as I said it's very unKT like to not check a specific reference that was given to a past game about a point that Pizza had made.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    I know what she's trying to do. I don't know if it will work. She may be too smart for her own good here.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    This should be an entertaining finish. I am definitely NOT envious of the two remaining innocents or the mobster. I've been stuck in both of those spots before and it can be nerve wracking.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009 edited
     
    I really think KT is the mobster and is trying for a glorious ending (from her point of view). I think (hope?) she's underestimating wes. He got burned, badly, in that one game where he locked a vote early because he was so sure. He doesn't want that to happen again.

    Yes, it should definitely be an entertaining finish.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    What's beautiful about this game is that if I start with the assumtion that KT is mafia, and read the thread since the start of this last day, it makes perfect sense. Clearly, KT is mafia.

    And yet, if I do the same, but start with the assumption that San is mafia...

    I can't get it to work assuming Wes is mafia, tho.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009 edited
     
    I'm not going to allow locked votes...they're lame IMO (locked votes, not the players .:smile:)
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    is there a difference between locked votes and ending the day early?
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    Bad link for Pack's clip ?
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    wes is such a wildcard
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    fojar:is there a difference between locked votes and ending the day early?


    I think the are related. We had a game in which locked votes allowed the day to end early, and it was terrible for the town. Didn't you mod that one? Wes was mafia and burned Sullen and I badly.