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    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009 edited
     
    yeah i'm all for ending the last day early, as a general rule.
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    If everyone has had their say and gotten their satisfy, that's one thing.

    But in Game 18, Fenris78 didn't even get a chance to enter the thread and speak before locked votes from the other two ended the game. As long as one player has things he want to address, for sure carry on and even then; thread should stay open to deadline on principle.
    • CommentAuthorwade
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:Bad link for Pack's clip ?


    Looks like the URL tags were off...vn choice he made :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooy0GFMYafY
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    Awesome clip although for flavor I don't think there will ever be anything to match the Rockford Files theme song on the night Detective Pack was hit in Game 15.
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Pizza are you working on your bad guy routine in this thread?
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    Nutjob:Pizza are you working on your bad guy routine in this thread?


    As in keeping things under me lid ?:wink:
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    uh huh :boogie:
    • CommentAuthorNutjob
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:Awesome clip although for flavor I don't think there will ever be anything to match the Rockford Files theme song on the night Detective Pack was hit in Game 15.


    Pure genius if I don't say so myself. :smoking:
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    No argument there and the death scene is certainly worth a second look:

    "Security cameras caught Packone snooping around in the middle of the night.

    Anyone who thinks Vegas still isn't run by the mob is clearly naive.

    The mafia spotted Pack on surveillance and cornered him in a stairwell.

    "You're done Rockford, it's over for you," one of them said.

    "No surprise seeing some of you here, just get it over with," Pack said.

    The mafia said, "you're right ... just one more to go, and it's all over for everyone. But we want you to have to watch it.

    "It can't be any worse than having to watch some of your episodes."

    The mafia tied Packone and up duct-taped his eyelids open in front of a continous loop of Rockford Files reruns. He hung in there for awhile, but after 12 hours, he just couldn't take it anymore. His head exploded."
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     

    I swear to you on my krazydust that I am innocent.


    If she's bad I will hex her krazydust so it never works again:devil:
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Well, I don't have a clue who it is but I thank them sincerely for taking me out:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    You know, I really hope it's not Wes and he's hanging them out there to dry
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    Ahhh ... he finally voted, well, at least if he's bad he didn't drag it out. Although if he is bad he better stay as far away from Texas as he can

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    So I'm inncently checking out some stock charts tonight and run smack into this...





    Hopefully they can let Pack in soon so his ghost can be at peace.
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:So I'm inncently checking out some stock charts tonight and run smack into this...





    Hopefully they can let Pack in soon so his ghost can be at peace.


    :rolling::rolling:
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    oh, oh ... looks like Wes is up to something


    Ok since KT won't be around and has not been around all game lets change things.


    And KT ... who it appears, is around

    I will not kiss your ass
  6.  
    I would be surprised if wes is done testing the waters...I think he'll give the third degree to San too tomorrow and will probably put a pressure vote on him to gage his reaction.
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    There is a tone of anxiety to KT's interchanges tonight that you don't normally see and it would have been to her advantage to keep that under wraps.

    What wes has to determine is whether that anxiety is because she is afraid her cover is about to be blown (she's mafia) or is it because the combination of wes' unpredictability and San's persuasiveness would be enough to freak out even a Texas Matriarch (she's innocent).
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    I can make an argument for either; tired, frustrated and annoyed innocent, Wes' behaviour this game has been extremely odd, even for him.

    Or

    Anxious mafia. Although, if she was bad I think she'd be more willing to engage Wes and attempt to put his fears at rest.

    Wes however, is starting to look worse to me. He seems to be enjoying himself, I don't take that as a good sign :(
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    janeg: Although, if she was bad I think she'd be more willing to engage Wes and attempt to put his fears at rest.


    And more than that....she'd be making noises that wes might be as likely as San to be mafia ...in an attempt to appear innocent. That fact that she's not going through those posturing motions might be a subtle sign that she's actually innocent
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:
    janeg: Although, if she was bad I think she'd be more willing to engage Wes and attempt to put his fears at rest.


    And more than that....she'd be making noises that wes might be as likely as San to be mafia ...in an attempt to appear innocent. That fact that she's not going through those posturing motions might be a subtle sign that she's actually innocent


    Agreed. My god if Wes is dirty and doesn't get lynched in the early days of the next game we all deserve to be shot
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    You know, for all my whining and bleating, I'm probably best off being mistrusted by my peers and lynched before the endgame. I've only made one endgame, and I fecked it up. I hope I will never have a go at anyone for doing likewise.
    • CommentAuthorcyb
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    pizzabynight:There is a tone of anxiety to KT's interchanges tonight that you don't normally see and it would have been to her advantage to keep that under wraps.


    With the "KT is mafia" glasses on, some of her recent exchanges look highly suspicious. Frankly, in a game where even the mafia don't know each other, and there be wolves, its nigh on impossible to tie the threads together and come to a firm and accurate conclusion.

    A hat tip to the moderator, there.
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    I will say that this is going to be my last mafia game, at least for a very long time, as it has really gotten to me this time.


    This is a messed-up game. We shouldn't do this to ourselves. :fierce:
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    wade told me who it is.

    exciting last day.
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    It's really strange how this has come down to two people leaving the final game decision to a third who overall (no offense Wes), is the least trustworthy in these games. You would think that even the mob would have some concerns over leaving Wes in for the end game; in the early going he has value because of the confusion he causes but you also have to consider that he's sharp, so relying on him to not suss you out in this scenario carries, I think, as high a risk for the mob as is does the innocents.

    If KT was dirty why was Packone NK'd?. It would have been a walk for her.
    The problem is, taking Pack out makes sense if either Wes or San is dirty.

    I keep going back to the timing on my night kill, the only thing that changed that day was I backed off a bit on San and notched the mob scale up a bit on Wes. Prior to that, I'd been leaning slightly inno on him. Pizza, had you made any non-inno noises about Wes on the day you were NK'd? I can't remember.
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    nsidestrate:
    I will say that this is going to be my last mafia game, at least for a very long time, as it has really gotten to me this time.


    This is a messed-up game. We shouldn't do this to ourselves. :fierce:


    I sometimes think we are all closet masochists:wink:
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    fojar:wade told me who it is.

    exciting last day.


    Hey, no fair!
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    cyb:
    pizzabynight:There is a tone of anxiety to KT's interchanges tonight that you don't normally see and it would have been to her advantage to keep that under wraps.


    With the "KT is mafia" glasses on, some of her recent exchanges look highly suspicious. Frankly, in a game where even the mafia don't know each other, and there be wolves, its nigh on impossible to tie the threads together and come to a firm and accurate conclusion.

    A hat tip to the moderator, there.


    In Game 24 when Irish, wade and I were Denmates without a Den and I had put Irish at the top of my NK list one night, there was talk after the game that it should have been made easier for a mobster's bullet to reach his partner. In that game we at least knew who one of our mates was but not the other. But with no knowledge here in #25 I like that wade has structured it so that it is hard to knock off a partner. That means that some "detective" work can be done in the structuring of the NK lists and that would have (gasp) added an element of fun to playing the mafia in the event O got snakebit during the role selection RNG.
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    janeg:
    fojar:wade told me who it is.

    exciting last day.


    Hey, no fair!


    hahaha
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    nsidestrate:
    I will say that this is going to be my last mafia game, at least for a very long time, as it has really gotten to me this time.


    This is a messed-up game. We shouldn't do this to ourselves. :fierce:


    San has struck me as calm, cool and collected compared to the rest of the players over the past couple of game days and I'd be less than 50% that he's actually telling the truth here. I haven't seen anything close to Game 11 where he falsely came forward as the Doc (not sure whether that was the game where he suicided in frustration).
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    janeg:

    If KT was dirty why was Packone NK'd?. It would have been a walk for her.


    I goofily suggested that she might also have done that earlier in this thread (because I felt that San and wes could have easily gone for pack). But next to jane, pack had been her best ally. Wes should ask himself if KT would have hit pack.


    janeg:a, had you made any non-inno noises about Wes on the day you were NK'd? I can't remember.


    What folks overlook is that thew was also in the mafia and the thread shows that I grew quite suspicious of thew in my final minutes (so that may explain why I was hit before jane). While wes had always been in my list of suspects, those same final minutes show that I was growing softer in my suspicions. I gave weight to packone's last minute call that wes might be inno.
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    So if it is San, why would he leave KT in so long? She's been dead set against most of the game and the least likely, I would think, to change her mind. And then you have Wes, who is the most erratic. Wouldn't he rather have a Pack/Wes mix on the last day? or Bugs/Pack? Bugs had voiced some concerns about Pack during the game.

    Why this particular mix, San/KT/Wes?
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    janeg:So if it is San, why would he leave KT in so long? She's been dead set against most of the game and the least likely, I would think, to change her mind. And then you have Wes, who is the most erratic. Wouldn't he rather have a Pack/Wes mix on the last day? or Bugs/Pack? Bugs had voiced some concerns about Pack during the game.

    Why this particular mix, San/KT/Wes?


    On the night Bugs was hit, I expected KT or pack instead, as suspicion could easily flow towards Bugs and KT and pack seemed to be trusted. But Bugs is also a dangerous endgame opponent and things can click into place for him when more puzzle pieces are put together after a NK.

    pack was more forceful in his suspicions than KT and left more breadcrumbs in his posts to that effect. If San is mobbed, he might have an easier time getting KT /wes to cross-suspect than pack/wes.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    I think KT thought about keeping Pack but decided it would look more suspicious towards San if Pack got offed. All this bleating about "all the innocents said San was dirty so it must be him" is very persuasive (not). Especially since it's not true. I'm always suspicious of San, but I most definitely had a strong inno lean on him at the end - and said so. My take on him was basically inno the whole time, and I think most of the thread would show that.

    I'm standing by my prediction of KT as mob. I just wish I had a clue what wes will decide. San is frustrated because he's sure it's KT but he's dealing with wes, who always frustrates him. And, because of the game structure, there's not that much in the thread he can point to specifically. It's basically all tone and attitude.
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    BugsBunny:It's not San I tell you :) I don't think San goes for Pizza in that spot. And Nut going is definitely a KT indicator, I called her on it early in the game. Nut reads KT very well.. And it's definitely unKT like to ignore that set of posts that was directed, more or less, specifically at her. She basically avoided interacting with me - because I normally get a good read on her as well. Jane responded. Even Pack responded stating that his end game record was also less than stellar (0-2 or 3 he thought), he was bemoaning the lack of Pizza to give the exact number). KT was totally silent.

    And as I said it's very unKT like to not check a specific reference that was given to a past game about a point that Pizza had made.


    I am here and reading forward. More to follow. But I have to say, I want some of this San is innocent bet. You name your terms Bugs. I'm almost 100% sure San is dirty.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    If San was mobbed he'd make more of an effort to get Wes lynched today. He's convinced that Wes is innocent though, which leaves him only KT. KT had shown suspicion of Wes in the thread, and the everyone says he's guilty line is actually more applicable towards wes than towards San.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    packone:
    BugsBunny:It's not San I tell you :) I don't think San goes for Pizza in that spot. And Nut going is definitely a KT indicator, I called her on it early in the game. Nut reads KT very well.. And it's definitely unKT like to ignore that set of posts that was directed, more or less, specifically at her. She basically avoided interacting with me - because I normally get a good read on her as well. Jane responded. Even Pack responded stating that his end game record was also less than stellar (0-2 or 3 he thought), he was bemoaning the lack of Pizza to give the exact number). KT was totally silent.

    And as I said it's very unKT like to not check a specific reference that was given to a past game about a point that Pizza had made.


    I am here and reading forward. More to follow. But I have to say, I want some of this San is innocent bet. You name your terms Bugs. I'm almost 100% sure San is dirty.


    $10 - I need to make back my Giants bet that I lost to Wade :)
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    nsidestrate:
    I will say that this is going to be my last mafia game, at least for a very long time, as it has really gotten to me this time.


    This is a messed-up game. We shouldn't do this to ourselves. :fierce:


    I can't see ITH, but I can see this thread. Who said the above that Nside quoted? And any updates anyone can post today is appreciated. I'm so damn tired of Subway I am not going out for lunch today. Plus the wireless was down at Subway yesterday, hence my lack of posts.
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    i'll check
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    The quote is from San
    • CommentAuthorfojar
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    KT and San are locked on each other, for now.

    this morning wes voted KT, KT and San are nowhere to be seen.

    also wes is nowhere to be seen,
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    BugsBunny:I think KT thought about keeping Pack but decided it would look more suspicious towards San if Pack got offed. All this bleating about "all the innocents said San was dirty so it must be him" is very persuasive (not). Especially since it's not true. I'm always suspicious of San, but I most definitely had a strong inno lean on him at the end - and said so. My take on him was basically inno the whole time, and I think most of the thread would show that.

    I'm standing by my prediction of KT as mob. I just wish I had a clue what wes will decide. San is frustrated because he's sure it's KT but he's dealing with wes, who always frustrates him. And, because of the game structure, there's not that much in the thread he can point to specifically. It's basically all tone and attitude.


    If KT was mobbed up, she would have took Wes out several days ago. I really think she doesn't want to deal with him.After their -hole conversation, she will have a difficult time convincing Wes to agree with her. This is also why San chose KT/Wes to join him the last day.
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    BugsBunny:
    packone:
    BugsBunny:It's not San I tell you :) I don't think San goes for Pizza in that spot. And Nut going is definitely a KT indicator, I called her on it early in the game. Nut reads KT very well.. And it's definitely unKT like to ignore that set of posts that was directed, more or less, specifically at her. She basically avoided interacting with me - because I normally get a good read on her as well. Jane responded. Even Pack responded stating that his end game record was also less than stellar (0-2 or 3 he thought), he was bemoaning the lack of Pizza to give the exact number). KT was totally silent.

    And as I said it's very unKT like to not check a specific reference that was given to a past game about a point that Pizza had made.


    I am here and reading forward. More to follow. But I have to say, I want some of this San is innocent bet. You name your terms Bugs. I'm almost 100% sure San is dirty.


    $10 - I need to make back my Giants bet that I lost to Wade :)


    Done. When you send me my cash, I'm packone72 on PS :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    We've had only 2 posts this morning. KT's vote is pretty much locked on San. San is locked on KT. And wes has to decide.

    The 2 posts today:
    San:
    -----------------
    I'm also done.

    I haven't been as cross as I was last night in a long time and the fact that I have no choice but to vote KT means I have no interest in taking this any further.

    I have arranged to meet some friends for a few drinks after work and I will not be back until well gone the deadline.

    In the meantime, I will say that this is going to be my last mafia game, at least for a very long time, as it has really gotten to me this time.

    -San out.
    -----------------------

    KT:
    -----------------------
    I am off to work.

    What really bugs me (pun intended) is if SAN was innocent, he would be fighting me more to pick Wes.
    -----------------------

    And that's it.
    • CommentAuthorBugsBunny
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009 edited
     
    Since you're on Stars that will make it easy for you to send Wade his money :) I currently have no cash on Stars (it's on FT)
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    This is/was my favorite mafia game yet. Major props goes to Wade for the structure. Great job.

    On Sunday, I had Fojar/Bugs/San as my dirtiest 3 . After 2 removals it was plain to me that San was dirty. From my reading through last nite, KT still sounds 100% innocent to me.

    I hated the no lynch on Monday. KT and I were sure of each others innocence. Why wait til today when there was only 1 trusted innocent around?

    Pizza, you are the best player reading me. In nearly every game you see what I am doing and trying to accomplish. Don't know if that's good or not, especially if I draw a baddie role.

    Was the question ever answered by MX on whether he tried to convert someone on night 2 and who he tried for?
    • CommentAuthorpackone
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    Pretty bad. I fought with Bugs the whole game thread and now I'm fighting him in the dead thread... LOL ! Thanks for the updated post from San.

    And sorry I messed up my final post. It was my first time trying to post an URL on ITH. I almost used an " avenge me " line from South Park :).
    • CommentAuthorjaneg
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    Wade said he did go for a conversion but he didn't share the results.

    The thread is completely dead ... and none of San, Wes or KT appear to be signed on, although there is 1 hidden; must be Pizza :)
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    janeg:although there is 1 hidden; must be Pizza :)


    Occasionally this Jane woman is on the money.