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    • CommentAuthornsidestrate
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2006 edited
     
    Welcome to the headquarters of the ITHica mafia!

    I have assigned user-names to prevent a clever person from searching the user-list and figuring out who was mafia and who was not. I have also randomly assigned a heirarchy of command in the mafia.

    The first name on the list is designated as the "Don." If he should die, control of the family will pass to the next name on the list and so on. This person has theauthority to send me the evening PM indicating who the target of your hits will be.

    If you wish, you can elect a new Don by majority vote, should that prove to be needed.

    You have a very distinguished list of members. I will be disapointed in you if you do not win.<table width=50%><tr><td><strong><font color=#B22222>Alias</strong></td><td><strong>ITH Name</font></strong></td></tr>
    <tr><td>Vito</td><td>Tall Paul</td></tr>
    <tr><td>Michael</td><td>Wynton</td></tr>
    <tr><td>Sonny</td><td>ChrisJP</td></tr>
    <tr><td>Clemenza</td><td>Poker_Elmo</td></tr>
    <tr><td>Tessio</td><td>BaldGreekKid</td></tr>
    <tr><td>Fredo</td><td>Ben</td></tr></table>
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Hello mafia chums. Looks like I'm first one here.

    The first job should be deciding who to knock off on night one. I suggest Angelfish, Damo or Fumseck, as they played in the last game and will obviously have more of an idea of strategies than the others. Angel is probably number one choice, as she was mafia last time.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Hi All, (its elmo)

    Whoo hoo - I am mafia!

    Unfortunately, I think the best play in the first few rounds is to have one or two mafia members lead the charge to lynch me. The reason is - I think several townspeople will get suspicious if I am not killed right away (partially based on the fact I was hit right away last game). Because of that - I think it would be smart if one or two mafia members led up the discussion of lynching me.
    I think we can wait a couple rounds, but it would look great if ChrisJP led a discussion and TP went along with it that had me lynched.

    Time frame - perhaps after our third hit.

    Who should we hit? I would think Pilchard would be a great choice but also might be protected by the doctor, so I think someone random might be better.

    Thoughts????
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    You should probably confirm that you got the right alias as well, since the cut and paste operation could have gone pants. Are you Tall Paul?
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I would prefer Damo or Fumseck - I think they are less likely to be protected by the doctor in round 1.
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006 edited
     
    Yes, it's TP here.

    Hadn't thought about Doctor protection, but if I was the Doc I think I'd protect myself until I had any information.

    Not sure about the strategy to get Elmo lynched, could be a good idea. I think we should let the innocents open the discussions though, first person to post will probably look dodgy.
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    I'm dumb. Damo isn't in this game. He was replaced with SteveGriff. Sorry about that,.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I was thinking of posting right away and saying something like "whoo hoo - I made it past night one".

    I think this would be less suspicious than me not posting anything. Any thoughts?
    • CommentAuthorWynton
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Wynton here.

    I agree with the idea of trying to wait for an innocent to open up the discussion.

    And I also agree with the idea of eliminating someone who played the game before. That has to be an edge.
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    'I was thinking of posting right away and saying something like "whoo hoo - I made it past night one".'

    Can't see any problems with that Elmo.

    Hello Wynton.

    If we're going with someone who played the last game that leaves Fumseck or Angel. Let's see if the other guys have any ideas first though.
  3.  
    I think that every mafia member but Ben has read their PM, so more of you should start to show up soon. Good luck.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I would recommend fumseck first. Angel and I chatted about her reasons for bumping me last time - I think someone might think I wanted "revenge" if we hit angel first and immediately start accusing me.
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    hey guys. I like the idea of going after someone who has played before. I would say Fumseck
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    yes, chris here, lets see...also think we should "off" someone not likely to be protected. That takes angel and pilchard off the list for this round I think. Not sure that it's particularly suspicious if Elmo isn't targeted because there are so many good ones...players from last game esp. Elmo sort of doesn't count because he didn't get to play :) I'd vote fumseck right now without futher input, just throwing it out there.
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    angel knows elmo and me quite well from ITH convention....fwiw don't know how that affects strategy at all
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    it seems as though we have a pretty good idea as to who we want to off. now wouldnt it be more important to take a look as to how we are going to act after the killing?
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    So sounds like it's gonna be Fumseck who gets it then.

    As for what to do afterwards, that's the tough part. We need to try and blend in with the others without attracting attention. I think lying low and not posting is suspicious, but then again everything's suspicious.

    If a bandwagon starts to roll we should probably jump on it, especially if it's against an innocent.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I agree Tessio (baldgreekkid). I think after the first one it would be good to have one or two of us leading up the "don't lynch anyone after week 1" charge and a few people looking more systematically at why fumseck would be chosen, and who would be the most likely mafia members to choose him. Maybe a random accusation would also help (like what SteveGriff did when he was detective).

    This leads to another question. Is there anyone among the innocents, that, if chosen, might lead to a lynching of an innocent? This would be a great person to choose.

    aupanner and torch know each other pretty well, don't they? Because of that - it might not be a bad idea to hit one of those two (either now or next). In fact, if we would hit one of them - in my opening post I would simply ask two questions:

    1. What is it about aupanner that caused the mob to wack him?

    2. Based on this information - can we get any inference into who might be in the mafia?
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Vito (TP):

    I think some of us should roll onto the bandwagon, while some do not. I think we will be much better off if we randomize our actions so that if one of us is lynched, there will be no good pattern with our voting behavior that can give someone an accurate prediction of who the rest of us are.

    In fact, it might even be useful to have 2 players "tie" onto an innocent, with behavior that mirrors a particular person. Then, lets say 4 rounds from now you are lynched TP - if your voting behavior looked quite similar to Angels, for example, then angel might get lynched next.
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Yes, Elmo, I like your way of thinking. The worst thing would be for them to link us all together in some way, as happened last time.

    I'm off now for a bit. I'll check back in an hour or so.
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    i also agree with elmo. if we go in different directions it will make it more difficult.

    elmo do you think that after being axed first that people may come after you believing that nside would put you on the mafia b/c of your early exit in game 1 ?
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006 edited
     
    nside picked everyone randomly this time, so no inference will be taken by the townspeople in that regard...although some may not understand that. It will be interesting how torch and auplanner interact.

    Maybe we should NOT off a former player first, but off torch or auplanner. Most would expect the mafia to off a former player, so maybe better to wait until Night 2 or even Night 3. The town might even lynch a former player since we don't. Hope it isn't elmo :) . If we off a non former player first (something I wouldn't expect) we throw everyone a curve. Maybe.

    Hi Wynton, BGK...

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006 edited
     
    OK, so maybe not Fumseck then. To be honest I don't think our first choice of hit will make too much difference as nobody has any info to go off at this stage. Why not just pick someone totally at random then giving them nothing to go off. Just another idea to throw out there.

    TP
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    So if we chose angel by random it wouldn't look that way to everyone. :) Not picking a former player puts a little suspicion on the former players I think. And it's three to one innocents in that suspicious group. Anyway gives them something to discuss that really doesn't reveal anything. I'll feel good about trying for anyone except angel and pilchard, only because they are most likely to be protected. Other than that....let's just get lucky.

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I like the idea of aupanner - I think people will possibly link it to torch. If not - will they possibly link it to us? It seems as random as possible.

    I think I can make a compelling defense for myself if they start coming after me. It might happen - but I would say how this is what the mafia would want, knowing you would lynch me.
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Aupanner sounds ok to me.
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    if we pick au then we could point to torch, if by random chance some people start pointing the finger our way.
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    OK I'm for au Don Vito. This will make torch squirm and that will be fun (as long as someone points the finger at him). When he reads this at least he will laugh....I hope. lol

    Plus angel's going to have to defend herself just like elmo...and fumseck and Steve Griff too. Actuallly most suspicion should go to angel and fumseck because Elmo and SteveGriff were out early in Game 1.

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    TP - can you send the PM to vote off aupanner?

    nside - is there a deadline we have to meet?
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    I had to convert Ben to Fredo, because the login details I gave him for Luca didn't work. What are you gonna do? He should be here shortly enough. You have 3 hours and 30 mintutes. You don't have to use your entire time, but you are welcome to.

    Make sure that I get a PM from Tall Paul/Vito by the deadline or it will be a happy day in ITHica.
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    The deadline is 6:00pm eastern, which is something like 11:00pm in the UK and 3:00pm west coast.
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    OK, we'll just wait for Ben to confirm, then I'll PM Nside.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006 edited
     
    Also - we should not be too eagar to point to torch. I will make a post at some raising the question - who would want aupanner gone?

    I think raising that question will cause someone to raise the relationship between torch and aupanner.

    Elmo
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    The torch fingerpointing may never happen. If not then no big deal for a while.

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Maybe I'll PM nside now, let's get this show on the road! Any objections?
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    do it up
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    no problem , this is basically a random pick anyway...
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    OK, I've sent it.
    • CommentAuthorBen
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Hello everyone... this is Ben.

    Sorry I'm a little late. I'll probably be laying a little low in the town depending on how much time I have to keep up with things. I like the idea of trying to distance ourselves as much as possible from one another. I also like the idea of trying to "attach" to an innocent so that when one of us is lynched it gets linked back to an innocent. I'm ok with whoever you guys decide to take out tonight. I think it would be a good idea to eliminate players from the first game soon since they already have experience playing, especially previous Mafia players.

    Ben
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Hi Ben,

    welcome...yeah laying low in the town is fine i think...we want all types. We'll see how many innocents lay low.

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Welcome Ben, happy to have you aboard.

    TP
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    Day has dawned. You killed the vigilante. Lucky devils.
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    i was wondering how useful that character would be anyway..but well take it!
    Chris
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Heh, that was quite fortunate :-)
    • CommentAuthorchrisjp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    My feeling was that it was a mistake for the townspeople not to lynch day 1. So i'm staying with that approach, trying to think just like i would as an innocent. Of course with the present rule unless the no lynch wins the day there will be a lynching.

    Chris
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Yes, I agree. Even for innocents a no lynching is bad. They get no info that way, I'll also argue against no lynch.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    A doctor or dectective would have been preferrable, but a vigalante is someone who could kill us - I am happy with the result.

    I am hoping someone (outside of us) will start to think about torch.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    I think the discussion is heading in the right direction on the forums. (at least through page 2).

    Elmo
    • CommentAuthorTall Paul
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Yeah, so far so good.
    • CommentAuthorpoker_Elmo
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2006
     
    Should I post this in response to toro, or is it giving away too much information?

    Looking through the explanation in the last thread, there were few hits that were random. As in poker - most actions have a reason. Sometimes those reasons are random, but most often they are not. There is a probability that the mafia randomly selected aupanner, but there is a probability they did not. I am wondering if there is any insight we could gain into the hit on aupanner. Even if we only increase our probability of eliminating one of them by 10% - it is worthwhile.

    But when I think of why he was hit, I get confused.